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    • dohpaz42@lemmy.worldEnglish
      92·
      3 months ago

      I’d love to hear your thoughts on why you feel the GPLv3 is better than the BSD2-clause license LadyBird is using.

      • Veraxus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        292·
        3 months ago

        GPLv3 is virally open source (copyleft), BSD 2-Clause is not.

        GPLv3 ensures free software remains free and contributions cannot be exploited and withheld from the community. BSD2C does not.

        • dohpaz42@lemmy.worldEnglish
          519·
          3 months ago

          GPLv3 is virally open source (copyleft), BSD 2-Clause is not.

          Your first statement is patently false and misleading.

          Two variants of the license, the New BSD License/Modified BSD License (3-clause), and the Simplified BSD License/FreeBSD License (2-clause) have been verified as GPL-compatible free software licenses by the Free Software Foundation, and have been vetted as open source licenses by the Open Source Initiative. (Wikipedia)

          Being “copyleft” is not a requirement for being open source. Maybe you’re thinking of free software. There are differences, but as the FSF is quoted, they are also very similar.

          GPLv3 ensures free software remains free and contributions cannot be exploited and withheld from the community. BSD2C does not.

          To my understanding, and if I’m wrong I’d love to know why, both GPLv3 and BSD2 both ensure the openness of software. They just go about it differently. GPL (I’m not super versed at v3) basically means any modifications to GPL’d code must also be GPL’d, and source made available; also, if you statically link against other GPL’d code, your code must be GPL’d. Dynamic linking (or linking against LGPL code, like glibc) does not have this requirement.

          With BSD code, your only requirement is that the code (or binaries) must remain BSD2. Sure, someone can make modifications and keep them to themselves for fun and profit. But that doesn’t mean the rest of the community has to follow suit. The original code remains open and available with no license modifications. If a company owns BSD2 code, and goes under, the community can simply fork the code and take ownership as they please.

          Neither license is perfect, and I’m sure we could find plenty of examples of people/companies that have abused both licenses.

      • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipOPMEnglish
        84·
        3 months ago

        GPLv3 makes a company publish the source under the same license. That means no Vivaldi, Chrome, Edge or any other spyware ad ridden browsers. I don’t think we need more lock in.

        • sik0fewl@lemmy.caEnglish
          42·
          3 months ago

          I understand your reasoning, but I think your logic is flawed. If Ladybird is GPLv3, then browsers will continue to use Chromium base which helps the Chrome monopoly. By making it BSD, it will help others adopt it.

          • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipOPMEnglish
            42·
            3 months ago

            We don’t need that much adoption we just need a engine that is capable of not screwing over everyone. We already have plenty of proprietary browsers.

            Admittedly BSD may help Ladybug get more funding and development efforts.

            • floofloof@lemmy.caEnglish
              1·
              2 months ago

              I’d favour GPL3 too, but we do need wide adoption because that’s the only way an independent browser will influence websites not to just design for Chromium. That needs to happen for the new browser to have any impact on Google’s ability to dictate standards unilaterally.

    • OpenPassageways@lemmy.zipEnglish
      5·
      3 months ago

      I’m normally in the camp that copyleft prevents enterprise adoption, and therefore limits users/contributors… but in this case I agree. I’d like browsers to be copyleft. I’d like to be able to see what kind of sketchy shit Edge and Chrome are throwing on top of Chromium and have it out in the open.

      Question for the free software community…

      If I used a headless version of a copyleft browser as part of an automated testing suite for proprietary enterprise software, does that violate the copyleft license?

  • Fitik@fedia.io
    11·
    3 months ago

    @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip Pretty cool, but what about Servo? Why not work on it instead?

  • satanmat@lemmy.worldEnglish
    122·
    3 months ago

    Looks like it has a reasonable base. But they are targeting an alpha for early 26?

    Oof.

    Hey it looks like there is some thought behind this; starting a 501c3 and going from there.

    Deep sigh…. Good luck Mr Gorkski

    • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipOPMEnglish
      61·
      3 months ago

      Don’t get to excited as it is very new and will take a lot of time and money to stay alive.

      Very cool though