The goalpost for individuals is pushed further to make up for what corporations are doing, which is…(reads notes)…nothing.
I keep reading that. But it’s not that simple. Corporations provide what individuals want. Their exploitation of the world’s resources and the damage to the climate is a side product of that. They aren’t a completely separate entity that do what they do just to be evil.
Governments need to heavily restrict corps and how they operate. Which will come with increased prices and limitations to the people. Which is unpopular and will mean that those politicians won’t get back into office…
Which is why nothing will happen and we are all fucked
Yeah, but all the people taking multiple flights a year for weekend getaways aren’t solely the responsibility of the “corporations”, are they?
That’s not true. Corporations concede nothing until forced. And many countries are foceing corporations to do things.
For example, it’s illegal in many countries for corporations to have short-distance flights where a train route is available.
We need more laws like this and corporations will do better.
Came here to essentially say this. Our individual contributions are meaningless in the face of the abuses by corporations and wealthy individuals.
Do you vote? Because it’s the same principle - how one person votes might be irrelevant, but millions of people voting is powerful. This is true even though corporations have outsized influence on the political process.
Likewise, a single person deciding to not eat meat one day a week or replace one car journey with cycling is nothing in the global scheme of things, but a billion people all doing it will have more impact on the environment than any corporation ever could.
I see your point, though I think the comparison isn’t quite accurate. My one vote doesn’t get canceled out many times over by the vote of a billionaire (though I suppose you could argue that lobbying by that billionaire could indeed cancel it out.
I guess I’m just growing pessimistic. For as much as I personally do, I feel its a drop in the water that is negated 1000 times over by corporations and wealthy individuals. I’m also tired of the narrative being focused on individual effort instead of pressuring corporations etc. to take more responsibility. But both individual and corporate/government action are needed, I suppose, if we’re going to save ourselves…
If you want people to give up flying you need to give them alternatives. I always choose train if it’s available. And for meat we don’t have to collectively give up meat, eating less meat (once or twice a week) would be totally efficient in limiting the CO2 emissions
eating less meat (once or twice a week)
I’ve been doing this a few years now. Trying to slowly introduce more and more new vegetarian/vegan recipes into my life. Worth it, in my opinion.
It’s really not hard. I think the extreme emphasis on going veg/vegan is actually harmful. Just eat less, find good veg recipes, then eat a little less, etc. You can get 90% of the way there and not even miss it much if you do it gradually.
How about you redirect this question to the people actually responsible for setting the planet on fire and inevitably turning my children’s futures to smoldering ash? I can only just barely afford to eat meat, certainly not every day, and any form of travel is a distant, impossible pipedream.
This is not my fault or responsibility. Life under capitalism hasn’t afforded me that luxury. I do not get to make decisions, they are too expensive.
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It’s at least not more expensive (maybe unless you live in bumfucknowhere and they won’t properly stock beans).
Both are necessary.
I gave up both, problem solved lol
I too am poor!
You’re extremely not wrong! 😅
Branding is key. You’re not poor, you’re ✨frugal✨
Just make private jets illegal or tax the fk out of each trip
Ban bunker oil. It’s used in shipping container boats. It’s the most polluting fuel out there.
Imagine asking yourself this, like flying was ever fucking necessary ever.
Haven’t eaten meat for over 10 years. Other than having to manage my feelings of superiority nothing much has changed.
Change needs to be a lot more radical than reducing global CO2 by… maybe 20%?
If we live plant-based we’ll need a lot of less land. We’d need some serious land to free up this land for the wild and rebuild eco systems. And it would still not be enough, because the rising heat will just destroy it anyway.
So expensive sequestering technology at source needs to be made mandatory globally and everybody will feel the hit of that. Producing (and sequestering) CO2 will be so expensive that the market will find viable, cheaper alternatives.
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man we need to start being a little more creative, and end all this binary thinking about everything… THIS OR THAT: CHOOSE there has to be some hybrid solution here… flying meat of some kind, i don’t know, i’m not an architect of meat solutions… but we have to find creative solutions, that ease transitions for economical reasons and shit… maybe highly mobile buns…
The answer is the illustrious fifth meat…it’s people.
okay, okay, get those creative juices flowing… i’m sure we can come up with something a little more androcentric maybe than that, but let’s keep that energy… Kobyashi Maru, people… Kobyashi Maru… you’re all James T. Kirk, let’s go…
Why not both?
Flying easy. Flying fucking sucks. Yeah I’d love to get a leg clot for $300 and 6 hours in your packed fart tube. As long as every private jet gets grounded too.
I know it’s not your question, but we probably don’t have to give up either one. Just do a lot less of it. It’s a lot easier to convince people to do less or seek viable alternatives than to give it up.
There’s also a good chance that both will become greener with better, greener tech.
I’ve taken one trip in the last 15 years where I flew, so it’s pretty rare for me anyway, but hopefully, improvements to train infrastructure in the US will lead to more people taking that route. Idk if battery tech will get to the point where jets can be run off them, but I could see them moving over to renewably-generated hydrogen. Use solar/wind to generate hydrogen and use that hydrogen in jets, large construction equipment, farming machinery, etc.
And while I still eat meat, I’ve been moving towards more plant-based foods whenever I can.
We could also just abolish cruise ships and prevent far more pollution than banning air travel.
Nobody really needs to be on a cruise ship IMO.
Definitely meat - I’ve been vegetarian for a very long time and vegan since COVID, and no plans of stopping anytime soon! Flying is a bit more difficult, but I work from home and when my work requires me to travel, I’m lucky that I have the ability to take a train, so I do that. I do like traveling occasionally, and for some of the places I want to go, I can’t realistically avoid flying.
If anyone here is interested in giving up or reducing meat intake but needs a little advice or extra support to get started, please let me know. I’m happy to share any knowledge and tips I can!
I live with my folks and I can’t say no to them serving me meat. I tell them I’d love to reduce my meat intake and they agree … only to put meat on everything l the time. When I order or cook alone I try going vegetarian if I can.
What are some good vegetarian inspiring websites/cookbooks that you’d recommend for the next time I’m out grocery shopping?
I used to go veggie before and I found the meat cravings pretty crazy. Do you do impossible or beyond? Or do you stay away from those entirely?
can’t say no to them serving me meat.
Offer to cook one meal a week for the family, and take it as an opportunity to showcase meat-free meals. If they’re dyed-in-the-wool carnivores, you’ll have to start with typical meat dishes using substitutes e.g. lasagne made with soya mince.
I’d give up both. Remember the week of global lockdown and people in India realized they could see the mountain range from their home? Fucking pollution, everywhere had amazing air quality for that week
Meat for sure. Giving up flying means giving up seeing my family. Probably one of the last things I would sacrifice, personally.
