This is an Antifa instance

Just a public service announcement.

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@nutomic@lemmy.ml
creator
41Y

Locking this, if I want to read why Antifa is bad, I can just go to Reddit.

It’s insane how the greater concept of “antifa” is automatically associated with violence when it literally stands for “anti fascism”.

I don’t condone violence on either side, but I say be against the concept of fascism or GTFO of this forum.

That’s authoritarian

Maya
41Y

“please leave my party (I have set up a bunch of party supplies by the door you can take to host your own party)” is… not… authoritarian?

Dessalines
mod
41Y

All you fascists are bound to lose.

Fascists mad

Fascists mad

@nutomic@lemmy.ml
creator
01Y

Bump for “hacker” news.

Too much politics for an open source project in my opinion

Fer
-14M

Not just a lot of politics, but a lot of censorship from sympathizers of communism / socialism or movements like antifa.

This is the instance, not the project. The code itself is still as apolitical as ever - even though I have yet to meet a fascist Rust developer.

@pistachio@lemmy.ml
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1Y

that’s very little politics, they’re banning one single political ideology. And fascism is an ideology that’s fundamentally incompatible with the concept of human rights, whose need of respect in the 21st century should be taken for granted and shouldn’t be a political question, i.e. a question which is answered in the political discourse, at all. So yeah, little politics. Fascism = bad, should be universally recognized as true. Nationalism per se not necessarily bad, but palingenetic ultranationalism, which is definition of fascism I’m using, definitely.

edit: hi lemmy, first post here

Maya
-11Y

welcome :D

@nutomic@lemmy.ml
creator
11Y

The right amount of politics for us, but feel free to go back to Reddit.

This kind of stuff is why some people left reddit.

lol. if reddit was too left for you you might not find a platform “neutral” cough(far right) enough for you

@Dargoth@lemmy.ml
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I never said or implied that. This trend of assuming anyone who disagrees with you is ‘far right’ or ‘alt-right’ helps nothing. Also curious is how all of my comments in this thread suddenly have 1 more downvote than a few hours ago before you replied. Probably just chance.

That aside, I actually agree with the views here, I just don’t like being beaten over the head with it platform-wide.

@otso@lemmy.ml
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1Y

I didn’t read the usernames, but it looks like i did downvote you a few times. I don’t think anyone who disagrees with me is facist but if being anti facist is too radical for you, you’re fairly far right

@Dargoth@lemmy.ml
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Well again, I never said anti-facist was too radical for me. With all due respect, I think you’re a little too quick to label people ‘far right’. I agree with your sentiment, I agree and absolutely would consider myself and any sane person antifa; my only disagreement is with how hard political views are pushed here. I want lemmy to succeed and I know that even if they agree with the views presented here, pontential users could be turned off by how zealous it comes off sometimes.

I don’t understand how being anti-racist can possibly be controversial in any way… and if it is for you, then I’m not sure what that says about you.

Did you reply to the wrong guy, because he didn’t say or even remotely imply that being against racism is a controversial stance.

I can’t see which post you’re replying to. These thread lines are an optical illusion.

Antifa’s method of activism is controversial

While there is nothing controversial about being anti-racist, Antifa is not simply anti-racist. It’s the style of activism that’s controversial. From wikipedia:

Antifa is an anti-fascist political movement in the United States[2][3][4][5] comprising a diverse[6][7] array of autonomous groups that aim to achieve their objectives through the use of both non-violent and violent direct action rather than through policy reform.[8][9][10][11] Antifa political activists engage in protest tactics such as digital activism and militancy,[11][12] sometimes involving property damage, physical violence and harassment, against fascists, racists and the far-right

Petitioning for policy reform is relatively non-controversial. But that’s not Antifa. Obviously some of the more extreme actions (e.g. violence and property destruction) are controversial - and Antifa is open to them.

Antifa’s ideology is controversial

Components of Antifa ideology:

  • anti-racism (non-controversial of course)
  • anti-capitalism (obviously controversial and IMO unpopular)
  • anarchy (obviously controversial and IMO unpopular)

I can’t even get my head around how it’s possible to be both anti-capitalist and anarchist at the same time. Anarchy is also favored by the extreme right, and obviously anarchy is a recipe for pure uncontrolled capitalism – most oppressive form of capitalism. What am I missing?

Lemmy censorship

In the case of lemmy.ml leadership, what we see is extreme censorship. We’re not just talking censorship of trashy messages. I recently posted a thread on the status of the cock.li email servers, and it was censored because the word “cock” appeared in the domain name. (proof). Obviously it’s essential to mention the domain name of the service we’re talking about.

No one will care if racist msgs get censored, but any post that’s incompatible with an anti-capitalist or anti-government viewpoint is also likely to be censored when you see how fast and loose they are with the censor trigger.

So am I racist because I’m not an antifa nor a fascist? Do I need to be an antifa to be anti-racist?

It’s not a group you sign up for. If you’re not a racist, then yes, your most natural stance is being against fascism: antifa.

@nutomic@lemmy.ml
creator
11Y

Fascism and racism have a large overlap, because they both target the same minorities. So yes, I think anti-racism needs to include anti-fascism.

So that makes me a half racist, good to know

How exactly is “being against the concept of fascism” too much politics? Because that’s what the term “antifa” abbreviates for, nothing more.

@Dargoth@lemmy.ml
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1Y

You’re right, being against fascism isn’t ‘too much politics’. However, “This is an antifa instance” being the first thing on the front page of the instance certainly is. It shows that the admin’s political stance is important enough to them that it’s the first thing they want everyone seeing. Between this, the AMA on reddit, and across the instances, the dev’s political leanings seem to be inserted wherever and whenever possible.

Nothing’s wrong with politics. Hell, I even share very similar views to those here, I just think that kind of discussion is better suited to a politics-based community, and not as multiple posts plastered on the front page.

It’s a political movement

Fascism itself is also a political movement. Of course the movement against it is also political, but I don’t think it’s “too” political.

@Defcon1@lemmy.ml
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1Y

I’d have said the same thing even for proclamed fascism. I just prefer politics free stuff, It works better with everything

Except literally everything can be political. Even the very idea of open source.

Yes I know, and that’s not great as I sad

There’s no way to completely get away from politics, it’s just so pervasive in modern culture. If an open-source project is going to take a political stance, this is one that’s high on the list of not-bad politics

Well not plastering it on the front page of the instance is a good start.

why? are we worried about offending the facists? not to make “too political” a stance but facists should be offended (at the very least)

@Dargoth@lemmy.ml
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1Y

are we worried about offending the facists?

Of course not. I’m just saying that things are just a bit too politically charged here to the point of feeling preachy. I guess it’s fine if the devs only want lemmy to be a platform for political activists, but for your everyday people just wanting to share funny memes, talk about tech, games, etc, it can be a little offputting, even if they personally agree with the stance.

@xvf@lemmy.ml
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1Y

Being antifa is as bad as being a facist.

Fer
-54M

Totally true. Also being a communist / socialist is as bad as being a fascist.

So is being anti-communist just as bad as being a communist? How deep does the rabbit hole go?

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@nutomic@lemmy.ml
creator
-21Y

Thanks for the laugh.

aproposnix
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