Mostly I’m not too knowledgeable on how guild and later manufactures worked and what their relations were and I think we could use more examples there. I am mostly basing this article on Engel’s Principles of Communism. I also think we can move the meat of the article into a “History” section if it ever gets longer.

  • Camarada ForteMA
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    It’s great as it is, great work comrade.

    Are you sure in feudal societies, the lord and nobility were the same class, though?

    • @CriticalResist8OPA
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      That’s a good question that will require more thought on my part than I can give at this moment :grimacing face: . I’ll get back to you on that soon.

  • Dreadful Wraith
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    I saw this post on Leftypol talking about the distinctions between class, caste, stratum, and cohort and I was wondering if you had any opinions on it since it’s related.

    • @CriticalResist8OPA
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      23 years ago

      From what little I remember of my high school sociology classes (which were actually quite in-depth though liberal), we talked about these terms. Based only on the context I have here, the picture above feels kinda liberal and not Marxist enough. In my experience people using descriptive and prescriptive in their explanations, online, tend to be on the libertarian socialist side (popularised by Contrapoints and other breadtubers); at least I’ve never read any Marxist author using these two terms in sociology.

      However I’ve held for a long time now that there is more to class than simply one’s relation to the means of production; people in the bourgeois’ family for example (the spouse and children) will have a bourgeois mindset despite not necessarily owning MoP themselves.

      Petit have different material interests [to petit bourgeoisie] because their role benefits from different things

      Do they, though? I’m not sure this is necessarily true, and I wish the author would have provided an example to their point. Overall both benefit from the exploitation of labour. Maybe we could make a point that the landlord wants workers to receive higher wages so they can charge more for rent, while the bourgeois wants lower wages so they can extract more surplus value. And in actual practice, we see that landlords will side with business owners in the class struggle, often being one and the same. They will gladly sell their property to real estate developers that will gentrify the neighbourhood or rebuild strip malls on homes. The consequences of this act is an externality; all that matters is that they received their share of capital.

      But that is of course only my opinion.