Very much this. The atmosphere here doesn’t feel any different than it did back on reddit, for better or worse. I feel like there was a time when reddit was less pessimistic, but there’s been at least a little of that vibe for a long time.
Agreed. What I’m really curious about, though, is how the atmosphere here is gonna change as thrediverse culture starts diverging from reddit. Are we going to stay depressed, are we going to gradually trend more optimistic, or will something completely different and unpredictable happen?
Yup, when I’ve been in real depressive moods I’ve read stuff on that site, and man it’s as depressing and pessimistic as you can imagine. The worst are those who almost cheer for the world to collapse.
Not just that, it’s like they are actively trying to find ways to make it worse and somehow complain about what is happening at the same time as they put down any one or anything that provides change and hope.
Yeah, we know it’s shit but you don’t have to actively make it shitter
The difference should be that here, we should be more of a “things do suck, but we should still do all we can to make it not suck as much.” instead of reddit’s “there is nothing we can do” attitude.
It’s not just here, it’s people in general. I find that most people are pretty pessimistic about the future or they don’t care at all. That second group is generally the group that’s not (or barely) on the internet
And then they wonder why progress isn’t being made when they just don’t give a shit or do anything to enact change if it isn’t “good enough”. Real progress historically has been something humanity has to work for even if it involves clawing our way to a better world one painful inch at a time. This kind of pessimism is basically an excuse to pretend to care but not actually have to do anything to fix stuff because “what’s the point?” 🙄
I renovated a house from the ‘70s last year. We now have triple glazing instead of single panes, the roof and side of the house are inslutated, we got solar panels, water-saving showers, a greener water heater (would’ve loved to move away from gas, but my budget only stretches so far and the asbestos roof will have to be replaced in a couple of years), and soon the driveway will have its’ non-porous gravel replaced with pavers designed to let water through.
Global warming won’t be fixed by that, but if we all start making greener choices when we can I have hopes we can avert the worst.
That’s the general outlook as it seems. I find it extremely disconcerting…
Because although it looks bleak at a glance, things could be A LOT worse and things are getting better. It’s just that we get flooded with so much negativity throughout all sorts of phases in our daily lives…
Eh that’s some good point you highlight. Personally I find Lemmy to be much smarter on average than reddit, so I don’t know what to think about the pessimism that also exists.
Yeah but seems that no one gives a fuck. US and China are still the greatest polluters and don’t seem to care, Europe besides still seeming to want to do something, is not ready to press this both especially now with the Ukraine war so, yeah, we are pretty fucked up.
The US passed the largest climate bill in human history last fall, Europe is now getting a plurality of its energy from carbon-free sources (and growing rapidly), and China’s continuing to make progress too. And the reason that’s all happening is because of all the people who care, who’ve been pushing for change this past decade.
It’s not enough, but it’s a huge step in the right direction-- and it’s proof we can accomplish even more if we keep standing together.
Germany is building coal plants, pretty much the rest of Europe is transitioning away from fossil fuels at a breakneck pace.
(And to be fair, Germany’s also investing heavily in clean energy and has made huge progress on that front. They just made the incredibly stupid decision to shut down their remaining nuclear plants before they had enough clean energy sources to make up for the power difference, which is why they’re temporarily using coal as a stopgap.)
My bad, I mixed it up with them increasing coal consumption / expanding existing coal mines. The overall point stands though that even as stupid as shutting down all the nuclear plants was, Germany’s still on a good path long-term when it comes to fighting climate change-- and the rest of Europe is making impressive progress, too.
Forget it again, because it’s utter BS. Germany hasn’t built a new coal plant since 2007. Datteln 4 was also planned to have a CCS (Carbon Capture System) - there where however massive protests against CCS in 2009 and in 2011 there was a new law…but it was too late and the CCS technology was bought by Canada. Austria outlawed CO2 Storage completely.
that doesn’t seem right at all? I mean progress is slow because things in Europe and the US are much less centralized. But just gaving a look and compare between Europe and the US, and other countries should make you understand that things are just better. Granted not good enough but nothing is gonna happen instantly. China is another thing.
That’s not nearly enough or fast enough though, the planet is dying now
I hear you but we can still celebrate progress. It’s really disheartening if you shit on every time somebody does something in the positive direction
Seriously, a big thing I’ve noticed here is that the general vibe of Lemmy seems morose and pessimistic as fuck.
Because most lemmy users used to be redditors, and redditors are morose and pessimistic as fuck.
Hey I was morose and pessimistic long before reddit and will be so long after thank you very much!!!
Very much this. The atmosphere here doesn’t feel any different than it did back on reddit, for better or worse. I feel like there was a time when reddit was less pessimistic, but there’s been at least a little of that vibe for a long time.
Agreed. What I’m really curious about, though, is how the atmosphere here is gonna change as thrediverse culture starts diverging from reddit. Are we going to stay depressed, are we going to gradually trend more optimistic, or will something completely different and unpredictable happen?
Not even remotely as bad as the pessimism on Reddit
Have a look at r/collapse to see how pessimist reddit csn be
Yup, when I’ve been in real depressive moods I’ve read stuff on that site, and man it’s as depressing and pessimistic as you can imagine. The worst are those who almost cheer for the world to collapse.
Not just that, it’s like they are actively trying to find ways to make it worse and somehow complain about what is happening at the same time as they put down any one or anything that provides change and hope.
Yeah, we know it’s shit but you don’t have to actively make it shitter
The difference should be that here, we should be more of a “things do suck, but we should still do all we can to make it not suck as much.” instead of reddit’s “there is nothing we can do” attitude.
Indeed. Defeatism serves the fossil industry and is probably funded by it.
It’s not just here, it’s people in general. I find that most people are pretty pessimistic about the future or they don’t care at all. That second group is generally the group that’s not (or barely) on the internet
And then they wonder why progress isn’t being made when they just don’t give a shit or do anything to enact change if it isn’t “good enough”. Real progress historically has been something humanity has to work for even if it involves clawing our way to a better world one painful inch at a time. This kind of pessimism is basically an excuse to pretend to care but not actually have to do anything to fix stuff because “what’s the point?” 🙄
I renovated a house from the ‘70s last year. We now have triple glazing instead of single panes, the roof and side of the house are inslutated, we got solar panels, water-saving showers, a greener water heater (would’ve loved to move away from gas, but my budget only stretches so far and the asbestos roof will have to be replaced in a couple of years), and soon the driveway will have its’ non-porous gravel replaced with pavers designed to let water through.
Global warming won’t be fixed by that, but if we all start making greener choices when we can I have hopes we can avert the worst.
That’s the general outlook as it seems. I find it extremely disconcerting… Because although it looks bleak at a glance, things could be A LOT worse and things are getting better. It’s just that we get flooded with so much negativity throughout all sorts of phases in our daily lives…
Eh that’s some good point you highlight. Personally I find Lemmy to be much smarter on average than reddit, so I don’t know what to think about the pessimism that also exists.
Yeah but seems that no one gives a fuck. US and China are still the greatest polluters and don’t seem to care, Europe besides still seeming to want to do something, is not ready to press this both especially now with the Ukraine war so, yeah, we are pretty fucked up.
The US passed the largest climate bill in human history last fall, Europe is now getting a plurality of its energy from carbon-free sources (and growing rapidly), and China’s continuing to make progress too. And the reason that’s all happening is because of all the people who care, who’ve been pushing for change this past decade.
It’s not enough, but it’s a huge step in the right direction-- and it’s proof we can accomplish even more if we keep standing together.
Europe is building coal plants rn
Germany is building coal plants, pretty much the rest of Europe is transitioning away from fossil fuels at a breakneck pace.
(And to be fair, Germany’s also investing heavily in clean energy and has made huge progress on that front. They just made the incredibly stupid decision to shut down their remaining nuclear plants before they had enough clean energy sources to make up for the power difference, which is why they’re temporarily using coal as a stopgap.)
Germany is not building new coal plants, ffs. Stop this bullshit and inform yourself before that.
My bad, I mixed it up with them increasing coal consumption / expanding existing coal mines. The overall point stands though that even as stupid as shutting down all the nuclear plants was, Germany’s still on a good path long-term when it comes to fighting climate change-- and the rest of Europe is making impressive progress, too.
I just forgot this, this is just the top of the cake
Forget it again, because it’s utter BS. Germany hasn’t built a new coal plant since 2007. Datteln 4 was also planned to have a CCS (Carbon Capture System) - there where however massive protests against CCS in 2009 and in 2011 there was a new law…but it was too late and the CCS technology was bought by Canada. Austria outlawed CO2 Storage completely.
that doesn’t seem right at all? I mean progress is slow because things in Europe and the US are much less centralized. But just gaving a look and compare between Europe and the US, and other countries should make you understand that things are just better. Granted not good enough but nothing is gonna happen instantly. China is another thing.
It’s still better than nothing.