I’m starting this community as an experiment of sorts, to find out what marxists think of the paranormal and supernatural. This includes ghosts, demons, as well as alien stuff. I’m really curious to see where we stand on this and I believe we’ll have very similar answers for the most part. I’ll post my beliefs in the comments and I’m hoping if anyone passes by this post they’ll do too!

  • @CriticalResist8OPMA
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    44 years ago

    So, I don’t believe in ghosts or any of that otherworldly stuff. I personally suspect that since Marxism dispels the mystical nature of the world, it’s very difficult to believe in the paranormal when you have dialectical materialism. Personally it kinda made me lose whatever curious fascination I had for it; it just doesn’t have the same taste to it to be reading a ghost story. I’m only reviving this curiosity now after being bored in quarantine and watching ghost videos online lol.

    And really, they can’t exist. Did you know ghost pictures only started appearing after cameras moved to the negative plate process? Then you could do something known as the double negative to make a blurry picture appear. Before that, nobody had caught a ghost on camera. These stories don’t hold up to scrutiny once you investigate them yourself (or from an actual sceptic and not the cliché “I didn’t use to believe but now I do” sceptic).

    Aliens I can believe in because it’s a big galaxy out there. But I don’t believe in the abductions that people “report”. They would have been picked up by satellites and other monitoring systems if that was true. And all the messages we’ve sent in space, all the actual investigation we’ve done has turned up nothing yet. If aliens exist, either they’re not advanced enough to communicate with us, or they refuse to, or we indeed haven’t made contact yet.

    Of course then it begs the question: why do people believe in the paranormal? It seems to me that there are profiles that are more prone to believing. Some people can spend a night in a dilapidated asylum and feel right at home. Others, like me, would see their body respond to the stimulus (blood moves away from extremities and you feel cold, you are on edge and the slightest breeze makes your hair stand…) – and this is probably why even though I don’t believe in it rationally, I still wouldn’t like to investigate ghosts.

    It’s an ancient fear that uses your body’s natural mechanisms against you. Earliest forms of human societies believed in spirits in some way, though it would be a far stretch to compare animist beliefs to ghosts of our loved ones (most of the western mythos about this comes from sketchy Victorian scammers, so). Like how masks hold a certain importance in many societies, because you don’t know who is underneath, and you can’t see their emotions on their face.

    Yet, is there much of a difference between aliens and ghosts? They both fill the same niche. They are both phenomena we don’t understand. They both give us something to believe in. They are stories easy to monetize on. Alien abduction stories didn’t appear until the second half of the 20th century, because the thought that intelligent life could exist on other planets required investigation in the cosmos, and media to relate the stories and make movies about aliens. While there is the ancient alien stuff (pyramids, hieroglyphs, art that depicts strange human faces), it’s a fundamentally racist opinion to say that the locals couldn’t have built these projects themselves. Just because Europeans couldn’t doesn’t mean others couldn’t. Likewise, there was a certain hype for space fiction in the late 19th century (Planet of the Apes was such a book), but even then there weren’t many “real” accounts. Perhaps then alien stories are the ghost stories of the modern times. As science dispels some mystical nature of the world (and liberalism holds it in a leash), it must be coopted to retain that magical aspect.

    And isn’t it yet another supremacist twist on the story, that humans are so interesting that aliens would travel who knows how many light-years just to experiment on them? I’ll leave you with this excerpt which I found randomly while looking up information for this comment, about the first “verified” alien abduction:

    One reason why the [Boas] story gained credibility was the prejudiced assumption that any farmer in the Brazilian interior had to be an illiterate peasant who ‘couldn’t make this up’. As Eddie Bullard pointed out to me, the fact that the Villas Boas family possessed a tractor put them well above the peasant class … We now know that AVB was a determinedly upwardly mobile young man, studying a correspondence course and eventually becoming a lawyer (at which news the ufologists who had considered him too much the rural simpleton to have made the story up now argued that he was too respectable and bourgeois to have done so

  • loathesome dongeater
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    34 years ago

    About aliens I have read some stuff like there have been recordings of UFOs that fly and turn very fast and something along the lines that “anyone who is a top gun in the government knows that aliens exist” but I still have zero percent faith in that.

    Even the Venus stuff that was found recently I am 100% certain they either misidentified phosphene or that it’s a result of a chemical process unknown to us so far. Basically have no faith in something like this, let alone ghosts, gods, etc. Even the history taught to us is basically a cover-up so being a ML I don’t give credence to the supernatural at all. Doesn’t mean I am an anti-theist fundamentalist or anything like that so please don’t take it the wrong way.

  • Makan ☭ CPUSA
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    24 years ago

    I don’t believe in aliens.

    I believe they’re a psy-op done by the CIA or FBI or State Department. It seems so obvious. But I used to believe in this stuff. Now I don’t at all.