the thread did not seem to conclusively go one way or the other on whether he was killed by the CIA.

the death of JFK and the murder of the assassin while in police custody is very suspicious to me. I have not thought about it enough to have decided what to believe plus it was very long ago

However, if, for example, tomorrow Dotard got assassinated, I would suspect it was CIA.

Even though he does do most of what they want, small differences with previous official line have motivated them to run Russiagate, pee-tape and impeachment against him.

US government also had a hand in the coup against former Australian PM Rudd for minor differences in foreign policy: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2010/12/aust-d08.html

However, I dont think it really should make much difference on whether you became communist or not. What if instead, they got a sex tape and convinced JFK to retire for “health reasons” instead? Also, the problems of capitalism would still exist even if the government did not have a CIA carrying out these plots

Glad you enjoyed my response enough to make a completely different thread about it!

Whether or not the US government actually killed its own head of state was never addressed by me. Such issues are actually decided on the evidence. I offered my opinion on such ideas, namely, that there is no reason to actually believe any of that nonsense. You’re of course, free to agree or disagree with me.

What I offered was to ponder over the implications that the belief in this conspiracy has had on the minds of the entirety of the one-foot-in-the-grave “Left.” I myself was most active in student organizing when 9/11 truthers were everywhere, and I can say without a shadow of a doubt in my mind, these people were a combination of imbeciles and government agents. The sincere ones actually believed that, somehow, if the majority of people just accepted the idea that the US government did 9/11, that the government would just spontaneously collapse on its own. The government agents would just show up to protests they didn’t even organize with bullhorns and screech it as a disruption tactic. Now the majority of the people on the planet believe some form of this conspiracy theory, and guess what? Nothing has changed at all. And this includes people actually living in New York City, though by the time OWS was around, these people only gathered in handfuls at a time, their numbers having dwindled down to the sincere believers only, and were no longer the force of disruption they once were.

I also asked the reader to consider what it could mean if the conspiracy is actually true. If the “American” government is willing to murder their own heads of state, why don’t we see more political violence of this type? Why aren’t US presidents shot every couple of terms? Why aren’t senators and governors and congressmen who don’t toe the line of the murder-the-president-and-get-away-with-it faction killed? Why isn’t US history filled with more civil wars?

Hell, it is clear probably the vast majority of the US ruling class despises Trump. Why don’t they simply murder him, and blame it on antifa? Is not sending the troops into Syria on behalf of their Wahabi-contras just as offensive to the kill-the-president faction as not acting as the gusano air force was allegedly to them during the Bay of Pigs invasion? Why was that particular moment in history so special? If Cuba meant so much to them, why is it still today ruled by communists? Did the kill-the-leader-of-American-imperialism faction have post assassination regrets?

And finally, if you actually investigate all the claims about Kennedy wanting to “end the war” or any such nonsense, it is all based on nothing. It is not merely grasping at straws to say that because JFK signed National Security Action Memorandum 263, that he was opposed to the Vietnam war. This is borderline lying to people. Signing a document which says “The war is going great, we can reduce our troops by about 1,000” is turned into evidence for the feelings opportunist geriatric “Leftists” project onto the figure of JFK. But organizing the coup against Ngô Đình Diệm for even suspicion of wanting to negotiate a settlement with the North is just conveniently forgotten, because it doesn’t fit the narrative they want to tell themselves about their anti-war-hero-Jesus president murdered by his own government. So they torture the evidence until it says what they want it to say, and then trot out a handful of people who say Kennedy told them personally he wanted to withdraw from Vietnam, often these quotes appearing for the first time decades later, with of course, no way to actually confirm any of this, and would mean nothing even if it he did say what tons of people in the US military circles already believed and were telling JFK about the war being unwinnable, about not wanting more “Americans” to die for Vietnamese people, etc. Seriously, offhand jingoistic remarks about the lives of “American” soldiers not being worth the conflict are turned into (secret!) plans for immediate withdrawal after his re-election.

This is, of course, the lynchpin of the whole narrative, and without it, there is nothing at all, so of course the whole thing is sustained by nothing but lies about the contents of public record documents and imaginary conversations reported to historians desperate to substantiate the anti-war-hero-Jesus presidential myth, so the geriatric “Leftists” can die believing they have done a good thing by collaborating with the “Left” wing of “American” imperialism, least that ever elusive ultra-deep-state-murder-the-president-faction ever decides to act again when they don’t get their way. Watch out Trump!

It’s all good, comrade. Just because someone said they don’t believe that JFK was assinated by the US on a thread doesn’t mean that the issue is solved. We aren’t a monolith here, we disagree on things.

The belief that the CIA assassinated JFK seems plausible to me. For example, if you look at what was happening in the Congo with Patrice Lumumba things start looking suspicious. The Congo had and still has a fuck ton of natural resources worth a huge amount, and they were just getting their independence from Belgium. I’d imagine the CIA’s mission at the time would be to ensure that the Congo becomes another neocolonialist client state of the global north, and while we can talk about the faults of JFK, I believe he had a stronger sense of morality than other presidents (excluding Lincoln), and was a supporter of Congolese independence. Patrice Lumumba was assassinated by the intelligence services of some countries in the global north, and If I remember correctly, his death was kept hidden from Kennedy for some weeks afterwards by the authorities, and was gutted when he learned of the news.

I find myself believing some select conspiracy theories generally associated with the “jet fuel can’t melt steel beams” crowd as a commie. There’s also the Dag Hammarskjöld assassination(?) case that ties in with JFK and the Congo, which I find super suspicious, however I haven’t looked into that at length. The UN has even reopened the inquiry into his death (in 1961) at some point in the last decade.

MI6 accused of thwarting effort to solve 1961 death of UN chief

Conspiracy theory pushers usually push a lot of emotional buttons really hard to get people to buy into their theory. If you grew up around them I could understand having this be a really big deal for you.

Here’s a bigger question you should ponder. What difference does it make if this theory is true or false? If it’s true that JFK wanted to abolish the CIA and they offed him because of that, what does this tell us about the world? It doesn’t really tell us all that much. It may tell us something about JFK as an individual, but what would it even matter? As you acknowledged, he was an imperialist war criminal. If he felt the CIA had too much power it was because he felt they posed a threat to his own power, not out of some noble patriotic love for democracy.

And we all know the CIA’s bread and butter involves political assassinations. I don’t see any reason to suspect they would refrain from offing a POTUS if they saw a reason. Nothing else so far has been off limits for them. So it wouldn’t tell us much new about the CIA or world imperialism. It could provide us with information about political cleavages in the state sixty years ago, but this is hardly valuable tactical information now

There’s not gonna be some storybook moment where the masses gather in Langley, Virginia and shut down the CIA because sixty years later we finally got confirmation that JFK was an inside job. Not gonna happen.

So I would encourage you to shift how you think about this question. The answer doesn’t really matter. Therefore the question itself is not all that important at this point.