• Carl [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    6 months ago

    By the time she runs for president she’s gonna be fully in the “Israel has a right to defend itself” camp but her opponents will still be calling her antisemitic.

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    I remember joking before that people would still be defending AoC as “making compromises and playing their game” even as the country slid into open fascism.

    Now here we are.

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    I’m curious now, is it common for the electoral “left” (left is really pushing it here, but, well, reps who present themselves as “left”) in western capitalist countries to have no good stance on imperialism, but to take token stances in favor of local reforms? Or is it more of a USian thing?

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      Nearly all of them are like this. When they are not, they face systematic purges from the forces that support, e.g., Zionism in the first place, which is the US-based haute bourgeoisie. When the people with principles are purged, all you can be left with us various iterations of opportunists, social imperialists.

      An important factir here is that the Western “left” is not a potent force, it is not organized, and it is not resilient to recycled bad faith PR attacks. This is particularly true of the electoral “left”, as they have generally abandoned any attempt to build a party that functions outside of bourgeois electoral mechanisms, and so they are entirely vulnerable to the same mechanisms that allow bourgeois control of electoral politics. This nature also means they neither recruit nor are attractive to principled socialists, they end up recruiting and attracting liberals and weirdos and fumble every chance they get when liberals inevitably alienate the masses.

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      thats literally been the case since like 1890s. social democrats supported the imperialist wars remember?

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        Gotcha. I’m not well informed on the history of that in all the western capitalist countries. And in modern day, I’ve heard of like Jeremy Corbyn actually having a good stance on Palestine, for example, if I’m not mistaken. Though maybe he is an exception to the rule, more so?

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          yeah and the labour party purged him and his supporters for being pro-palestine

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          Jeremy Corbyn is a good example on why “fabian socialism” and the likes leads to poor understanding of good scientific political theory on achieving progressive change, even from an anti-imperialist perspective. And he is definitely one of the better politicians in the West.

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      The Western electoral left is so far broadly about making the case about using the loot of imperialism more equitably domestically. And they aren’t very good at even that.

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    Calling them “the squad” now is silly. They’re normal democrats: two-faced, spineless, and black-hearted. Maybe not Ilhan Omar, but the others, absolutely.

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      But in a recent interview with NPR, the Democrat surprised listeners by expressing her admiration for Margartet Thatcher, who was prime minister of the United Kingdom from 1979 to 1990. Omar said:

      It’s interesting, right? Oftentimes, we’re told who our heroes can be. And for me, I find it to be inspirational for a woman, when there were really no other women around who were leading, to say, “I can do this.” And I think as I think about my own journey, dealing with the ideas that many within my own community had about, “a boy should be the first.” I needed to have sort of an inspiration, and obviously, she’s left a very dark mark in history. But we can’t take away how inspirationally bold she was to believe that she can lead as a woman in her time.

      https://www.leftvoice.org/ilhan-omar-calls-margaret-thatcher-inspirational/

      Having the qualifer “she’s left a very dark mark” but then doubling down on Girl-Boss-Feminism is just pathetic.

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    As Rick Sanchez would say, “fucking classic”