Boy have I been confused, this whole time I assumed MLMs supported the Chinese government but I just had some conversations on twitter with MLMs and they were all upset with China saying the same thing that happened to the USSR is happening right now in China. I just assumed with one of the cardinal principles being to uphold Mao Zedong thought that MLMs would be pess critical. Iunno

  • Star Wars Enjoyer A
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    They’re a lot like the Orthodox Marxists who refuse to accept ML is anything but revisionism. Basically, they think Deng abandoned socialism (though what Deng did and believed in was still just ML) and thus ruined China by evolving Maoism and reforming China’s markets. But, I don’t wanna pot stir too much here.

  • Muad'DibberA
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    It gets pretty complicated, oftentimes many MLMs and western maoists view China the same way trotsykists view the soviet union : a deformity of its founder’s original intentions.

    MLM is also a recent tendency from the shining path in Peru, since the 1980s. It has no influence in China, which is already a maoist country that upholds both mao Zedong thought, and the contributions of the experience of the CPC culminating in socialism with Chinese characteristics, which takes lessons from both the Mao and post Mao era.

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      I don’t know why people expect Marxist to be used in exactly the same way, perfectly, in every country, and no new lessons are to be learned.

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        They become too idealistic and can’t see reality, sadly.

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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        Indeed, the whole point of scientific communism is that it should be applied according to the specific conditions as opposed to dogmatically.

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  • @darkmaster006
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    Just read this from Deng: https://dengxiaopingworks.wordpress.com/2013/03/18/to-uphold-socialism-we-must-eliminate-poverty/ “In the past we stayed in a rut, engaging in construction behind closed doors, and many years of hard work did not produce the desired results. It is true that our economy was gradually expanding and that we succeeded in developing certain things, such as the atomic bomb, the hydrogen bomb and even intercontinental ballistic missiles. But on the whole, the economy grew slowly or remained at a standstill for long periods, and our people were still living in poverty. During the “cultural revolution” the Gang of Four raised the absurd slogan, “Better to be poor under socialism and communism than to be rich under capitalism.” It may sound reasonable to reject the goal of becoming rich under capitalism. But how can we advocate being poor under socialism and communism? It was that kind of thinking that brought China to a standstill. That situation forced us to re-examine the question.” “In the course of building socialism and trying to modernize we have encountered some interference from the “Left”. Since the Third Plenary Session of the Eleventh Central Committee of our Party, we have been concentrating on combating “Left” mistakes, because those are the ones we have made in the past. But there has also been interference from the Right. By that we mean the call for wholesale Westernization, which would lead not to socialism but to capitalism. We have already coped with the recent widespread ideological trend in favour of bourgeois liberalization and made some changes of personnel.” I think it is clear who those “maoists” are. They don’t understand that material conditions change and that methods of revolution will change accordingly, as Marxism is not a dogma but a science to action, it constantly evolves and updates itself.

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    MLMs don’t support the PRC after 1976 as they view the defeat of the cultural revolution and Deng Xiaoping taking power as what turned China onto the capitalist road, and often critique it as being social imperialist . Mao Zedong thought this of Deng as well .

    They do, however, defend China insofar as it’s against Western-imperialist lies - but they view China and Russia as forming an emerging Eastern imperialism, and that being the source for said slander campaign, that it forms competition to the current imperialist hegemony - not because they think the two pose a threat to the capitalist-imperialist system in general.