• qaz@lemmy.worldEnglish
    302·
    10 months ago

    But why? It’s job is to install software, why make it worse by supporting less package formats?

    • pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip
      10·
      10 months ago

      But why?

      Probably because having two separate dependency management solutions can lead to a lot of needless headaches.

      And it makes particular sense for Gnome to switch over, since Gnome is focused on user space apps. Flatpaks should generally be more relevant and lower risk, long term, since they don’t require root privileges to install.

  • secret300@lemmy.sdf.org
    315·
    10 months ago

    That’s just plain dumb. I usually don’t install rpm packages with the store but I frequently update my system from it. If they remove rpm support then they remove a huge ease of use feature.

    • youmaynotknow@lemmy.ml
      6·
      10 months ago

      My case is the other way around. I look for software in the store, and if I can’t find it, then I install from the terminal, but I always update (and remove) from terminal. I’m a diehard Gnome user, but this will certainly make me move to something else.

      Now, in flatpak’s defense, it’s great to keep browsers away from my system, as well as some other inconsequential apps that have no business integrating with my system. I like flatpak’s for these use cases. Everything else, I need my RPMs.

    • chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world
      2·
      10 months ago

      While I prefer Debian packages, what’s wrong with Flatpaks other than a bit of bloat caused by redundant dependencies? They’re not Snaps.

      • zipping2583@lemmy.world
        2·
        10 months ago

        They acutally use deduplication. So if there is a package needed in e.g. 10 different flatpaks it will not take 10x the space on the drive.

          • zipping2583@lemmy.world
            2·
            10 months ago

            It was mentioned in a podcast from the linux cast - there was actually a guy (I believe he works for gnome) and he cleaned up with some prejudices about flatpaks. One of them being that they consume too much space on disk ;)

  • Negborz@sh.itjust.works
    41·
    10 months ago

    I really don’t like how gnome is doing things, even I not using a distro that uses rpm im considering migrate to cosmic

  • penquin@lemm.ee
    1514·
    10 months ago

    Unpopular opinion: that’s fucking stupid. I personally will never use flatpaks.

    • TxTechnician@lemmy.ml
      13·
      10 months ago

      Really? Why not?

      I find them incredibly useful for some applications.

      For some development stuff, though, I still prefer to use the installed version.

      So VS Code, for example, I have that installed.

      The flat pack just does not work as well.

      But Podman Desktop, which is a flat pack, is just excellent.

      • embed_me@programming.dev
        71·
        10 months ago

        I think they use up too much space. I primarily use laptops with limited SSD storage and using flatpak has come back to bite me a couple of times.

        • verdigris@lemmy.ml
          81·
          10 months ago

          The space becomes less and less of an issue the more of your system is in flatpaks, as any shared dependencies won’t be duplicated.

        • bluee@lemm.eeEnglish
          11·
          10 months ago

          In this part, I agree, company laptop only provide 256 usable 234gb, and well… it doesn’t works great if I use a lot of flatpak apps for now, So I opt to use rpms… if 512, it will be different…

      • penquin@lemm.ee
        32·
        10 months ago

        Too much storage. Only apps, no dependencies or drivers, which makes them 100% useless to me. So I’m Still relying on the repos to install dependencies and drivers, but splitting my workflow and installing flatpak apps? No, thanks. Too much hassle on theming and system access. Often times on the steam deck I try to do something and it doesn’t work and I start scrambling for a while to fix it, then realize I don’t have permissions to do so then have to go find flatseal and start fucking with shit. Just too much hassle.

        • TxTechnician@lemmy.ml
          6·
          10 months ago

          Dependencies are contained in the flatpak. That’s why something like zenmap. Which requires python 2. Can run on a system that doesn’t have python 2 installes

          • penquin@lemm.ee
            32·
            10 months ago

            That’s it. You’ve solved it. Flatpaks are the best. Give me one driver I can install as a Flatpak. Anything that is non-app that is flatpak

    • Allero@lemmy.today
      41·
      10 months ago

      That is fucking stupid, but mostly because why on Earth should you drop a valid package format plenty of people use? Forcing rpm out will force people to use dnfdragora for that, creating two different app stores for one distribution.

      Flatpaks are IMO good and are a great option for a casual user who doesn’t want to accidentally screw up their system. Fully packed isolated dependencies, permission systems and other features make them great in many ways.

    • Read Bio@lemm.eeEnglish
      2·
      10 months ago

      Ok here is a bit of a rant Fr, Especially on Arch based distros where the Aur (which is wayy better) exists + I don’t use gnome I use Cinnamon(Gnome done right)