I escaped the Reddit regime a little while ago. I consider myself a marxist-leninist-MZT. Vegetarian and vegan for a few years. I’ve a lot of thoughts on how marxism and veganism are connected. Never wrote them down. I’d like to start smth like a club for marxist vegans to develop our own proletarian theory. Most vegan theory I found is either openly bourgeois (Francione is a literal TERF) or revisionist (anti-China, anarchist, libertarian). How about fixing this?

  • CarlMarks
    62·
    11 months ago

    I do, we just don’t have to hunt for a long time now that we have livestock, I’m eating as 99% of humans in a sense that I’m a omnivore, which is natural for human beings and other apes.

    But you’re also not eating like 99% of human history in the sense that your diet is very different. It took humanity thousands of years across myriad cultures to generate the foods we take for granted. This is something that often goes unappreciated about past and current cultures, as some of the most amazing technologies are plants like corn, potatoes, wheat, soybean, lentils, etc, not just electricity or guns. There are also many such technologies that are not widely known or have even vanished, which is cultivation without planned plots or inputs, just taking care of the environment threw stewardship of existing plants and lands, like the ubiquitous technology of controlled burns. This made food that would not go to market, but sustained societies.

    So, why would eating like 99% of history be the thing to do in one way but not the other?

    Natural as in I don’t eat junk from McDonalds and other capitalistic companies, I eat stuff brought straight from the villages.

    Like whole foods, that kind of thing. That’s good! But don’t forget that villages are highly advanced and use agricultural technology developed over thousands of years, right down to the food itself.

    You literally are(you are currently doing it) by going and moralizing

    I haven’t moralized once. I suggested a materialist analysis of the phenomenon of modern veganism, which is basically the opposite of that.

    guilt tripping

    I have not guilt tripped.

    and annoying about this stuff

    Can you tell me what I’ve done that’s annoying?

    go and attack companies, poachers, animal traders and people who endanger near extinct species if you want to do something truly noble and leave normal people alone.

    I suggested a material analysis of modern veganism as tied to capitalism and imperialism. We are currently discussing things that you have brought up, not me.

    Guess what, it isn’t, they don’t provide it with it. Most are explicitly against it.

    I don’t know what you mean by this. Can you explain? Thank you!

      • CarlMarks
        52·
        11 months ago

        Bruh, it’s just eating livestock, not that complicated or deep, people eat both plants and meat as we’re omnivores, that’s the point.

        If the only point is that people do consume animal products and have in the past, then nobody argues with that. I assumed this was connected to what is “natural” and why you think it is right to do, which is also not something I have asked or suggested. I haven’t told you what you should or shouldn’t do in this thread, but I am pointing out that “we are omnivores” is not a coherent argument re: the appeal to what is “natural”. You don’t actually need to justify yourself, as again, I am suggesting a material analysis, but since you brought this up without reompting I figured you would be interested in discussing it.

        Tree log, chicken, axe and cooking isn’t advanced technology.

        Axes are pretty advanced and are not the historical traditional tool for killing animals for food. Those would be the spear and traps. The domestication of chickens is fairly advanced, as they have been selectively bred for domestication from an ancestor in Southeast Asia.

        Ughh, I’m pretty sure that not using the time for something better and instead bothering other people about what they or should eat because you dislike the fact that humans are omnivores is the annoying part.

        Like I said, I haven’t told you what to eat. So I am not doing the thing you find annoying, I guess.

        I think that a villager keeping chicken and other livestock, eating eggs and drinking milk doesn’t constitute as imperialism unless I missed that part in Highest Stage of Capitalism.

        Of course not. Who said it did?

        They don’t feed chickens with that, most are against it.

        That’s good.