I’m so fucking tired of all of this, they literally attempted to hit Kremlin with drone before a week and Russia still didn’t curb stomp them for some reason. Hundreds are dying in Donbas still, this has been going on since 2014, Donbas is still not free, soldiers are dying, I don’t even know at this point. What’s the problem in just evaporating Kiev, clown and his neo nazi regime and be done with it? I don’t even know how their army is still functionally operating after all the weapons and infrastructure destroyed and crippled, hundreds of thousands of soldiers killed and hundreds dying daily.

Hordes of nazis on the internet and news don’t show signs of stopping of talking about Ukraine 24/7 even after more than a year of this madness.

I literally can’t take it anymore, when will this end?

  • lemmygrabber
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    I booted up /r/worldnews today because I was bored and couldn’t sleep.

    Big mistake.

    I am not exaggerating. About 7 to 10 of the top posts were anti-Russia stuff. I was for some reason thinking that they would have put this war on the back burner but I was wrong.

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      I was for some reason thinking that they would have put this war on the back burner but I was wrong.

      This is even further proof that this famous so called “public opinion” in the west is entirely manufactured by letters and their pet media, since even the iron trope of “liberals having 10 seconds attention spam and then moving to the next issue” is overridden completely when needed.

      • lemmygrabber
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        Komrade Putin is taking the heat away from China. Just check it out: https://reddit.invak.id/r/worldnews/

        At the time of writing it is chock full of Russophobia. The streak is only broken by an article about climate deniers insulting meteorologists. After that it is anti Russia stuff again.

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      They gotta keep the propaganda up so that people don’t question why the fuck we’re spending billions on this.

  • @TheAnonymouseJoker
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    Give or take few months at best from Ukraine’s POV. Anglo empire cannot supply, plus they want to try out their last ditch at China before 2025 by using Taiwan, so a resource focus shift means immediate collapse of what is left of Ukraine.

    We could also see some activity in Malaysia, Phillipines and Thailand. Japan is also being coaxed to rearm like “old” days.

    • @201dberg
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      The way I see it, every day Ukraine sucks up more western supplies is one more day China has to build up and prepare for the wests trying shit with Taiwan.

      • @Shrike502
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        Building up at the expense of lives lost here. Lovely.

        • @REEEEvolution
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          Its the smaller pile of shit. When the Taiwan situation blows up, that’s on another scale entirely.

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    The current Russian strategy as I understand it is to use Ukraine the way NATO used Afghanistan on the USSR - to drain the bloc of resources. This is partially by planning, partially by the design of the material conditions. Russia is surrounded by NATO puppet regimes, so they can only allocate so many resources towards Ukraine.

    NATO is constantly trying to bring other nations into this conflict so as to increase the amount of troops they can allocate towards defeating Russia by putting the statehood and livelihood of other nations on the line which would force entire armies to join and not only nazi mercenaries. Since the beginning of the SMO we have seen coup attempts in Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Georgia, and IIRC Uzbekistan. There have been aggressions in nations Russia is materially involved in peacekeeping such as Serbia, Transnistria, and Armenia. Ukraine has also casually fired missiles supposedly accidentally into Romania and IIRC Poland as well and tried to blame Russia for this.

    The west can only allocate so much funding to this war due to the large debt to GDP, and primarily their obligations to the rate of profit and the liquidity of capital (simply keeping the western economy alive as it is in a state similar to an elderly person whom has eaten steak and smoked their entire life)

    So for the time being, it is what it is. But it should work…very slowly

  • @CountryBreakfast
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    All things considered, Ukraine has lost a lot. Millions have fled the country. It’s media is supresessed. Assets sold off to wall street. Lives lost to war and future generations lost to the confusion of history.

    But yeah the fact that it just keeps going it’s disheartening

    • @Kirbywithwhip1987OP
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      Ukraine currently has 27 million population at best, they lost about 16 million people in a year including migrants, deaths, annexations of 4 Oblasts etc, they can’t keep up for much longer.

      • @CountryBreakfast
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        I wouldn’t get my hopes up. Best to just try an understand the political environment and try to survive these perilous times.

  • Camarada ForteMA
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    A war is rarely something swift, and since the Russian army is doing its best to prevent civilian casualties and exclusively target the military, they can’t just throw a nuclear bomb in Kiev to immediately end the war (considering a nuclear strike will actually be a birth of a new war)

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      I wish I knew anything at all about military logistics because I really just can’t contribute much to understanding it but I don’t think there is a magic bullet to ending the war. My guess is the war will drag on for some time.

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        I wish I knew anything at all about military logistics

        There’s rarely an all-encompassing understanding of military logistics. It really depends on the territory of the dispute, like railways which brings resources, factories which produces ammunitions, geographical features like mountains, etc. So each conflict has its own particularities. In this sense, when it comes to the war in Ukraine, I’m just as ignorant as you lol

    • @Kirbywithwhip1987OP
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      Not the nuclear of course, normal bombs on government buildings, every single one of them and wipe the army completely.

      • @redtea
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        This sounds closer to what the US does to its enemies and it could be a disaster for several reasons. It increases the chance of civilian deaths. It destabilises what will be left. It strengthens the resolve of the enemy and increases their support from civilians.

        The US can get away with this tactic because it is geographically protected – i.e. it tends to attack places on the other side of the world and attack countries who can’t fight back from such a distance. The US either doesn’t have to live with the consequences or benefits from the tragedy.

        For Russia in Ukraine, all the problems would happen without (m)any of the ‘benefits’. Carpet bombing Kiev would exacerbate the misery of millions of ordinary Ukrainians and possibly result in increased terror attacks in Russia. War is going to be bloody but that destruction should be minimised as much as possible.

        I’m unsure that Marxists should be calling for escalation. War is terrible enough without baying for more blood. It may sometimes be one option, but war is not the best way to defeat fascists; they’re always willing to one-up you. Fascists/imperialists cannot be beaten at their own game. They must be handled very carefully.

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            Marxists should not carpet bomb countries run be people they dislike or hope that others to do it for them. That would make them just as bad as fascists, if not worse.

            Reducing this to ‘can’t debate Nazis’ is problematic. It closes off all possiblity of peaceful and Marxist solutions.

            Have you read Grover Furr’s Khrushchev Lied? You might want to read what he has to say about how the Soviets dealt with even internal ‘enemies’ relatively peacefully. It’s the chapter on displacement during WWII.

            • @Kirbywithwhip1987OP
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              Not civilians ofc, government buildings and army, every single one of them, command posts, bases, every single weapon sent before it even arrives, push like in the beginning and end it right then and there.

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  • Anarcho-Bolshevik
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    It seems to me that, unfortunately, the war will go on for a long time. Russia is systematically knocking out Western weapons, but new ones are being supplied daily. When Ukraine runs out of manpower to make up for losses at the front, the West will be looking for mercenaries all over the world.

    Already American comrades write that poor Americans, who are on unemployment benefits, are being agitated to join the so-called International Legion to defend Ukraine. It seems to me that the war will be fought to the attrition of one side, and at some point, it may come to a nuclear conflict.

    (Source.)

  • @NothingButBits
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    On the last live stream of New Atlas, Mark Sleboda claimed this would become an endless war. Man I hope he’s wrong, because this shit going for another 10 years would be a disaster. Just annex Ukraine and end this madness.

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      One of the west’s potential win scenarios I saw a lot of people mentioning early on (and I agreed) was creating an eternal quagmire on Russia’s border that either burns as a conflict draining resources and becoming ever more unpopular over the years with the Russian people (government destabilization, chance for color revolution) or at least intermittently flares up plus lots of terrorist attacks into Russia itself that never go away.

      Russia can afford to drain NATO for a while longer but in the long-run the war continuing benefits NATO and only NATO and is a serious drain and threat to Russia. They need to wrap this up in the short-term (around another year) not the medium term (another ~5 years(+/-2)).

      The thing is, Russia may fear any escalation on their part will invite a seething, sitting on the edge, glaring and chomping at the bit west to jump in against them, to escalate dramatically, for Poland to march in, for them to pull a provocation and send in NATO troops en mass which of course is calling Russia’s bluff and what can they do then but use nuclear weapons? NATO responds in kind and whoever blinks first in the nuclear escalation loses (e.g. if Russia doesn’t escalate to nuking secondary choice military targets after a few first choice military targets are hit on both sides in an exchange NATO takes this as weakness and presses the attack to push them out of Ukraine entirely, cut off and annex Crimea back and begin building their terrorism factory in Ukraine back up again).

      People talk about them needing/wanting to pivot to Taiwan and yeah maybe that’s waiting in the wings but even two years I worry what can happen in that time. Nuclear war is ever a risk as the west’s back is up against a wall and they know it. A certain faction of the bourgeoisie (the defense industry kind who are also the ones spewing all the China atrocity lies) is determined to not die lying down, to perhaps even take the world with them if it comes down to it. Because unlike international finance or tech, the bourgeoisie who benefit most from direct imperialism, it’s profits and its war machine will suffer greatly should the dollar hegemony collapse, should the ability of the US to wage war abroad collapse, should the US’s image collapse. Russia and China will replace them in selling weapons, without wars to justify buying lots domestically and with other puppet countries slowly drawn out of their sphere this group of the bourgeoisie who have particular control of the levers of US state apparatus and their ears unfortunately are in a very dire place looking towards the future and the next 10-20 years.

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    Good news, today Russia destroyed billions of dollars worth of weapons in western Ukraine. $500 million in the Khmelnytsky ammunition depot and more in Ternopil. 1600 Ukrainian soilders were killed a day ago (so around 10k total casualties??).

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    Honestly at this point, I’m starting to think NATO, Ukraine, whoever is actively trying to goad Russia to start an actual extermimation campaign. Whether it’s fucking nukes, disease or chemical weapons, they need some kind of red line to justify all this expense and a hot war with Russia that will be accepted by the citizens of America and Europe. Because you’re totally right, why the kiddie gloves are still on after an attack on the Kremlin is a question you can write a novel about.

    I want Russia to save those people in the Donbas and stop these neo-nazi clowns but at this point, they really should just pull out. This isn’t going anywhere because of all the NATO support artifically keeping Ukraine in the fight.

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    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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      All Russia has to do is to wait until US election campaign starts or US economy collapses, whichever comes first. Even British neocon media is now admitting this that Ukraine regime’s time is running out.

      NATO is not able to keep up with Russia in terms of weapons production, and the strain the war has put on western economies is becoming unbearable for the people in the west. Meanwhile, as neocon British media points out, Russia’s economy is doing fine. In fact, Russia is back into top 10 global economies by GDP for the first time since 2014.

      Russia obviously understands all this, so they’re just holding the line and destroying Ukraine’s weapons and supplies using the air force which now flies unchallenged over Ukraine because their air defences are now depleted.

      • @CountryBreakfast
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        They raised interest rates back in February-March and it caused all sorts of problems including bank failures. There are a lot of cracks and strains on the economy. Who knows what will happen but it’s certainly possible the US will be in a full blown depression in a few years. But even then, there is so much russiaphobia and resentment it is hard to imagine Europe or the US letting anything force them to back down. There is too much at stake for both sides.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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          I think US is most definitely headed for an economic crash. There’s a great recent interview with Hudson where he does a good overview of the situation. While there is a lot of russophobia in the west, people care about their material conditions more. What we’re seeing happening in France right now will spread to other western countries soon.

          People’s standard of living is collapsing across the western sphere and unless the governments start focusing on that then there will be riots. Spending billions propping up a proxy war with Russia isn’t going to be politically feasible going forward. I recommend reading up on the history of US invasion of Vietnam. There are a lot of parallels between the economic crash that triggered and what’s happening now. Eventually, US was forced to abandon the war because their economy couldn’t support it.

          • @CountryBreakfast
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            The problem is that imperialism is in the material interest of Americans and as of now it’s not Americans dying in Ukraine which makes the pressure to let it go less pronounced than Vietnam.

            Biden has pushed the whole democracy vs autocracy narrative and I struggle greatly in my day to day life to find anyone that doesn’t align with that narrative one way or another, regardless of partisanship, regardless of education level. This is ultimately nurturing fascism which will present itself as leftist. They are already refining their rhetoric in ways they haven’t dared in decades.

            At the end of the day my perspective is tainted by being surrounded by dangerous people that aspire to have professional careers in imperialism, but ultimately I fear their sensibilities will win out and enough Americans will go along. History is just not as on our side as I would like. Not to be intentionally pessimistic but IMO we communists in the US are 100 years too late and $100B short, and meanwhile even the project in China may not be able to move fast enough to outrun history.

            IMO the only guaranteed positive is that all paths forward for the US are frustrated by partisanship and ideological dogma. Each side will try to sabatoge the other, but if things grow dire then compromise will become more possible much like during the depression/FDR years.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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              While imperialists obviously don’t care about the interests of Americans, there is growing discontent domestically and I don’t think it can be entirely ignored especially if the economy keep unravelling.

              The other aspect is that this creates room for opportunists like Trump to come in and say that the reason economy is collapsing is that Biden got US into a pointless proxy war. This is increasingly becoming a popular narrative with the republicans. I expect this trend to continue going forward.

              It’s one thing to buy into slogans like democracy vs autocracy and put flag in your Twttier bio, it’s quite another not being able to pay your bills and put food on the table. When push comes to shove people in US aren’t going to be willing to sacrifice everything to keep a proxy war going.

              Another thing to consider is you’ll see very different views depending on what demographic you interact with. People who still have decent jobs and aren’t personally affected by the economic decline are going to be supportive of what the regime is doing. However, that constitutes an ever shrinking percentage of the population. Last stat I saw was that over 40% of the people now want the war to end regardless of whether Ukraine loses territory or not.

              I definitely agree that there will be a lot of attempts from republicans and democrats to sabotage one another, and on top of that the general public is becoming increasingly tribal. So, it’s going to be hard to get any sort of national unity to do anything.

              Finally, we have the wild card which is the climate crisis. US now has massive climate disasters each and every year, these cause massive economic damage and displace large numbers of people. If there’s another huge wild fire, or a massive tornado, or a hurricane, a heat wave, or a combination of these things, that could have a huge social and economic impact on the country.

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    • @Lemmy_Mouse
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      Ignoring reality and “helping as many people as possible”

      How then can they help if they do not know what is happening? Capitalism is an interwoven system, it is not simply national and international, they are connected. The masses do not ignore this war, we cannot either. How else would we answer their questions about it?

      The problem with liberally helping everyone as much as possible is the pette bourgeois are people…the bourgeois are people…this is an aimless statement. Nothing can change if we are not purposeful nor strategic with our actions. This is how one avoids what I like to call hippieism, but really it’s just plain social liberalism.

        • @Lemmy_Mouse
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          Helping the working class is important, but it depends on how we are helping each other. The aliments inflicted upon us from capitalism require surgery not a bandaid. The bandaid simply promotes the future existence of another bandaid when the wound fails to heal, and another, and another. The misery accumulates. Giving the masses food, shelter, water, etc…is just as important as giving them education, guidance, solidarity, etc…One without the other and we’re just helping the capitalists by being social democrats. Our goal isn’t to lube the system, make it less agonizing so workers enjoy being exploited, it’s to aid in our liberation from capitalism, towards controlling the means of production. This requires praxis, not simply helping the needy. To be a communist is not to be an NGO. This is my point.

            • @Lemmy_Mouse
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              You’re getting there, however you contradicted yourself by stating reforms as a solution among normal solutions. Reforms to ease the suffering is simply reinforcing the system. We can ease the suffering while building revolution, it’s a tactic called dual power. Constant protests simply tire people out and dilute the message with inaction. In the long term and in principle we do not support bourgeois Russia, however in their anti-imperialist struggle against imperial capital we must support Russia. The US global hegemony must be shattered for the liberation of the global south from the yoke of US capital. Yes Russia will be a problem in the future, but that does not mean we do not support the death of the US empire today at the hands of them. They are not ideal but they are what the world has right now. Another reason for us to build faster. Besides these points I believe we agree.

                • @redtea
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                  much as people in the left hate to hear it - is very clearly a bourgeois state capitalist nation from every angle I’ve looked at it from

                  This conclusion is very much in tune with Western leftism and is indeed the dominant position of the western left (from anarchists through ‘progressive’ liberals and ‘Marxists’ to Mao-Zedong-ists). It is only principled Marxist-Leninists, Third Worldists, and global south Marxists who argue that China really is socialist.

                  You should read more about this topic and look at it from yet further angles. But you will have to be careful with your sources. Roland Boer’s Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: A Guide for Foreigners could be a good place to start. He talks about the book in this video: https://youtu.be/mgcyqkEOhQc

                  Alternatively, you could watch the conference papers from the People’s Forum:

                  Here’s the whole conference: https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlpc6eFEd8ot2Nm89KxgYYmduHvdhmhli

                  Marxists cannot allow themselves to be duped by narratives and frameworks that are created and pushed by Western imperialists.

                  Grover Furr is renowned for criticising the anti-Soviet / anti-Stalin paradigm. He explains how ‘Soviet studies’, etc, is really ‘anti-Soviet propaganda studies’. It is impossible to get an accurate picture of the Soviet Union by relying mainly on Western sources, even (especially?) academic sources.

                  See one of Furr’s talks, here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccmj2Lj5jB0&pp=ygULR3JvdmVyIGZ1cnI%3D

                  Likewise, it is impossible to get an accurate picture of China by reading Western sources. Most of what passes for journalism and academic literature is merely propaganda, written by people who haven’t visited China, don’t read Chinese, and don’t understand Marxism. It’s possible to write good stuff with just one of these traits, but it’s impossible without any of them. And most westerners tick none of these boxes.

                  As Furr argues, ‘evidence’ is the most radical word in the English language. Anyone who looks honestly for and at the evidence will become a communist. And in this instance, I propose that if you look for the evidence, you will come to a different conclusion on China.

                  You might also enjoy Carlos L Garrido’s new book, The Purity Fetish and the Crisis of Western Marxism.

                • @redtea
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                  You might want to find a copy of Lenin, ‘The Dual Power’. It’s from Pravda, 9 April 2917, if that helps narrow down the search.

                  His ‘April Theses’ may be easier to find, if not.