• OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
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    Well obviously this is because China is giving North Korea rice… And China isn’t capitalism… and also USA is in a very bad spot because of Republicans. But it’s still better than China and North Korea.

    Also this data is fake, because you obviously can’t hold studies in North Korea. I think everyone in the world knows this.

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      What do you mean, there are scientists and researchers in North Korea…

      Also the US death rate seems to be rising steadily from around 2013 so we’re talking Obama’s second term, then Trump, then Biden… Why is this Republicans fault then?

      And finally, if communist countries have lower malnutrition death rate because they support each other, that is still a lower death rate thanks to systemic differences between capitalism and socialism.

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        I’m pretty sure @OsrsNeedsF2P was being sarcastic. If not they are using very vague generalizations that don’t really apply.

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              In that case sorry comrade! Too many people spew this kind of foolishness unironically.

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                Typically when you enter a discussion you don’t do it in a hostile manner.

                The discussion point was for the post Red_Scare brought up in my past where I was talking about Democratic VP picks, not the /s comment I made in this thread

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                    Sure, let me respond to them.

                    Typically when you enter a discussion you don’t do it in a hostile manner.

                    See the comment you just responded to

                    Also, unironically believing no science is done in North Korea is a take with the critical thinking behind it of a dying sea-sponge.

                    You missed the part where I said (multiple times) it was sarcastic

                    That might be a reason people are being hostile back to you rather than just your general tone considering that you haven’t read the room.

                    See above

                    “I think everyone in the world knows this” e.g for direct example incase you question what I mean by “tone”.

                    Again, see above

                    Also, democrats absolutely love playing into it. See Obama’s failure to get an actual functioning, proper healthcare system despite the complete power to do so. Look at Biden now. Look at Kamala failing to deliver any actual material responses to working class woes and then proceeding to get a Cheney endorsement and the media begging GEORGE BUSH for one.

                    I don’t really know what you’re talking about here tbh. Maybe my comment about Republicans? In any case, again, my comment was sarcastic, so “see above”

                    To boost what Red_Scare said, if two communist countries are trading to lower malnutrition than a capitalist nation with global extraction and economic/military hegemony; isn’t that a good thing? Like why is that a criticism?

                    Of course that’s a good thing, see above

                    Happy I responded to your “other parts” now? I guess this is why people need /s.

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            Poe’s law strikes again. I also figured you were being sarcastic, but I bet you having regular lemmy instance tag threw some people off, as often it’s people from more general instances who have unironic takes like what you posted.

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        The graph itself was not targeting Republicans. It was targeting capitalism. But if we wanted to target Republicans, we could note that the Republican party has worked very hard over the past few decades to cut a wide variety of social support services, going back to welfare in the 1980s, for example. If you want to argue that the Democrats also bear partial responsibility, probably many of us here will agree with you.

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          In the US, there is basically one party - the business party. It has two factions, called Democrats and Republicans, which are somewhat different but carry out variations on the same policies. By and large, I am opposed to those policies. As is most of the population.

          Noam Chomsky

          The United States is also a one-party state, but with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.

          Julius Nyerere

          The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class shall represent and repress them in parliament.

          V. I. Lenin

          Nowhere do “politicians” form a more separate and powerful section of the nation than precisely in North America. There, each of the two major parties which alternatively succeed each other in power is itself in turn controlled by people who make a business of politics, who speculate on seats in the legislative assemblies of the Union as well as of the separate states, or who make a living by carrying on agitation for their party and on its victory are rewarded with positions. It is well known how the Americans have been trying for thirty years to shake off this yoke, which has become intolerable, and how in spite of it all they continue to sink ever deeper in this swamp of corruption. It is precisely in America that we see best how there takes place this process of the state power making itself independent in relation to society, whose mere instrument it was originally intended to be. Here there exists no dynasty, no nobility, no standing army, beyond the few men keeping watch on the Indians, no bureaucracy with permanent posts or the right to pensions. And nevertheless we find here two great gangs of political speculators, who alternately take possession of the state power and exploit it by the most corrupt means and for the most corrupt ends – and the nation is powerless against these two great cartels of politicians, who are ostensibly its servants, but in reality dominate and plunder it.

          Frederick Engels in literally 1891

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      Death from malnutrition is not necessarily related to the overall abundance of a country, but to whether anyone gets left out to the point they literally have nothing to eat. Even a poor country like North Korea can manage a low death rate by simply making sure everyone is taken care of within the available resources. Most deaths from malnutrition in the US are from elderly people, suggesting a lack of support as the cause.

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        This, exactly. There have been multiple news reports in the UK of people dying of starvation after their disability payments were stopped. This would be me if not for lemmygrad and hexbear.