People are now loudly and proudly spewing eugenics shit that is exactly what the Nazis used to say. Here is a quote from Elon Musk:

"I wouldn’t call it eugenics as such, but every nation has practiced a certain form of survival of the fittest. One need only go to England and go to the Cheltenham area, the horse breeding area, and say, 'Look, we’re not going to breed the horses anymore by any form of standard. I’ve got a few old horses I’ve found in Nigeria and we’re going to just mix them with your race horses… “They’ll say, no, no, no, no, no,” he added.

Not only that but he said: “Population collapse is coming… Earth is almost empty of humans” What is this guy on? We have 8 billion and counting. But we all know what he really means, he means there aren’t enough white babies being born.

With this racist shit, and the genocide of the disabled, plus the growing misogyny where more and more men, especially young ones, are saying women’s purpose is breeding and they should stay at home, https://yougov.co.uk/society/articles/45735-how-many-britons-agree-andrew-tates-views-women

We are clearly teetering on a fascist eugenics society where women only exist for breeding, the disabled are to be eliminated and race mixing is to be discouraged. And it’s truly scary how many people are unashamedly saying this in public.

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    If he likes eugenics that much, why not apply it on his own physique?

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    “I wouldn’t call it eugenics as such”

    But it is, that is quite literally Eugenics. Also comparing humans reproducing to breeding animals is incredibly disingenuous. I know policies haven’t been put in place yet, so maybe I sound paranoid, but this is getting dangerously close to what the Nazis ended up doing. First it starts with rhetoric, and because it is coming from a guy with so many supporters I feel like it is going to spiral into a reality sooner than later.

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    You touch “genocide of the disabled”. This is an area I don’t understand deeply, so please forgive my ignorance.

    Can you expand on it, or give me some sources, please?

    Isn’t a society practicing “from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs” going to provide enough support to the disabled so that they become “enabled”, in some shape or form? Wouldn’t such society try to discuss and prevent such conditions to the extent of reasonability?

    Or course, it feels fair to support anyone, with whatever their wrapping society can provide, and to prepare to provide the most, but. Isn’t preventing physical and mental hardship part of that, too?

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      This is my experience as a disabled benefit claimant in the UK. I worked and paid taxes for 16 years, then I got thyroid cancer. The treatment, which I am still receiving, caused me to have a stroke and the stroke has left me partially sighted and learning to walk again. I’ve had many other side effects from the treatment (from heart problems to chronic, severe migraines, terrible eczema so bad it gets infected regularly, developed some food intolerances and an autoimmune bladder disease - and of course I’ve developed depression from all this, so bad I made a suicide attempt that resulted in 5 days in intensive care) but those are the main issues. Multiple doctors have written letters of support for me to the DWP (the government organisation that decided whether you get disability benefits or not), saying I’m totally unfit for any type of work and need a lot of help with basic daily things (I have trouble even dressing myself since the stroke and my balance is bad now too).

      Despite this the DWP reassess me for my benefits regularly (on average every 1.5 years). The longest I ever got, after an appeal, was 4 years. However the appeal took nearly a year, which was knocked off the time. They can start assessing you again one year before your award ends, which they did to me. So my 4 years was actually 2 years before having to go through another assessment. The assessments are gruelling and stressful. You have to gather an incredible amount of evidence from all your doctors (in my case GP, physiotherapist, neurologist, endocrinologist, stroke clinic, opthalmologist, mental health therapist, carer and a social worker), and the form they give to fill out isn’t big enough which necessitates writing additional evidence about your conditions and their effect on you, which in my case came to about 20 pages. As well as asking other people who know you to write about the effect they see your conditions have on you (in my case, a paralegal who was helping me fight my appeal), go to all the bother of requesting your historical medical records to prove your conditions, not to mention have the actual face to face or phone assessment, where they continually try to catch you out and come up with stupid reasons to deny your claim (one assessor told me that I should walk around rotating my head constantly to give me a full range of vision to compensate for my partial sightedness). Then get awarded zero points and have your money stopped and go through all of this again for an appeal. Over and over, forever. It’s not designed to help people access the help they need, it’s designed to deny as many people as possible.

      Multiple people who have wrongly had their benefits stopped have starved to death (like Errol Graham and Mark Woods) or committed suicide (like Jodey Whiting) but most cases don’t even make the news. There was a redditor who worked at the DWP for one week and in that week, 30 people they were dealing with who’d had their benefits stopped committed suicide. That’s just one week in one department. The redditor quit after that week.

      So no, society doesn’t give enough to the disabled. As far as becoming enabled, what do you mean? What can society provide me with to magically cure my disabilities? Nothing. Even people who could become able to work with proper medical treatment aren’t getting the treatment they need due to long waiting lists.

      I’m not entirely sure what you mean by your last two lines. But I say this is a genocide of the disabled because disabled people are dying in their droves due to the difficulty of accessing benefits, meanwhile society accepts this as a reasonable price of preventing anyone from gaming the system.

      I’m going through an appeal right now. It’s taken so long that, without income, I maxxed out my overdraft in the first few months, I’m racking up rent arrears in I at first turned to the food bank. However the food bank takes so long to access. You need a referral, so I need to see someone who can refer me, like citizens advice or the GP. That can take days. Then it can take days to get an actual appointment at the food bank. Then the food bank gives 3 days worth of food. Then you have to do the whole process again, I was hungry most days and because they don’t give a decent selection of food, I developed multiple nutritional deficiencies. Now they prescribe me vitamin and mineral supplements on the NHS because of the deficiencies. But they still won’t just feed me properly! Clown world. Since then the only way I’ve been able to keep myself fed every day is by a few generous people on here and hexbear providing me with supermarket vouchers. The authorities were just letting me starve.

      You are lucky that you’ve had no cause to know how the disabled are actually just treated like disposable trash and left to starve. It’s exhausting that the general public assume we’re taken care of, that benefits are so easy to get and food banks so easy to access. The reality is very different. The disabled are being killed by the system and without the help I’ve received on here, I would go the same way.

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      I’m not quite sure I understand what you’re talking about. It seems like you’re talking about something entirely different.

      The goal of us Communists is to ensure a life of dignity for the disabled, this means giving them the tools they need to life a fulfilling life, whatever that looks like to them.

      Fascists, being the most brutal form of capitalists, either want to use the disabled as slave labour or even exterminating them, thinking they are less than human because of their circumstances.

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        I wrote a lot, and it’s very confusing. It might not deserve an answer, but I though sending it through was better than silence. So, for posterity, there it is.


        I don’t understand it myself. It’s a subject I’m not comfortable with, I don’t know how to speak about it. I apologise.

        I was thinking the case about abnormalities detectable through genetics. Namely down syndrome, and the eugenics argument around it. That’s the relationship I had in mind when I opened the thread.

        I suppose there’s cases for other abnormalities, where early diagnostics could exist? And then, when parents could suffer pression to abort the pregnancy.

        So… These wouldn’t be cases for slave labour, but one could argue that if this is provided and available, there would be some social pressure for these to happen, therefore this could be one form of genocide of the disabled?

        Also, the case for the ageing population. Encouraging euthanasia, like Canada is trying to pass (has passed?) laws to enable it, when the family can’t support the disabilities naturally occurring through age.

        I’m not sure what the question is. I think I just wanted more material to get more familiar with the topic and the discussions around it.

        Maybe the question is, if we theoretically prevent “all” disabilities through all means, is this genocide of the disabled? I think the concept of genocide of the disabled confuses me.