• @Anatolianin
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    1 year ago

    Peaceful existence

    Remind me what Poland did to Lithuania in 1918, to BSSR and UkSSR in 1919 and to Czechoslovakia in 1938 I seemed to forgot

    Also, what did finns did in 1918 in Vyborg I wonder?

    • @Franfran2424
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      161 year ago

      I hate how Poland gets to play the victim card after being a literal imperialist state in interwar period.

      Took over lands populated by Lithuanians, Belarussians, Ukrainians. On 1938, forbids USSr troops from crossing Poland to help defend Czechoslovakia, and with a non agression pact with Germany invades Czechoslovakia the day after Germany takes over the Sudetenland.

      Proceeds to cry and complain when the USSR has a non aggresion deal with Germany and invades Poland after its clear Poland has lost.

      • @PolandIsAStateOfMind
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        111 year ago

        Poland gets to play the victim card

        If i had to summarise polish historiography since 1918 in single sentence, it would be this.

        Romanticism literature which introduced this absolutely toxic martyrdom syndrome was a civilisational catastrophe for polish culture.

        • Anarcho-Bolshevik
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          211 months ago

          Italy, France, Great Britain and Germany signed a Four‐Power Pact, proposed by Mussolini, which would have allowed a gradual revision of the 1919 Peace Treaties. Worried about the effects this could have on their territorial claims, the countries of the Small Entente and Poland mobilised against this Pact. Although it was eventually not ratified, the negotiations around this Four‐Power Pact permanently damaged the Franco‐Polish relations.

          Henri de Jouvenal, the French ambassador present at these negotiations, had accepted the idea of transferring the “Polish corridor” to Germany. Taking this as a signal that Poland could no longer rely on France’s protection, the Polish government sought to establish ties with Germany instead. This diplomatic turning point was concretised in the bilateral pact of non‐aggression, signed by representatives of Poland and the Third Reich on 26 January 1934.

          Imagine for a moment that you are looking me in the eye, then answer me this:

          Do you remember witnessing anybody in your country discussing this history?

          • @PolandIsAStateOfMind
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            111 months ago

            Partially. Discussions about “allies betrayed us like the Czechoslovakia” do happen sometimes, but the pacts with Germany are never mentioned, the conclusion is inevitably “USSR bad”.

            Poland is always the smol pebble of history with no agency of its own. At least after it stopped being stupid oligarchy ruling half of the region. Polish historiography is simply stinky, even during PRL it was like a minefied, hit and miss.

    • @Franfran2424
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      131 year ago

      Different thread to not mix things. Never ask the finns what happened to karelians before 1939 or to red finns

  • @sinovictorchan
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    51 year ago

    Backgroun facts: Stalin had only add half of Poland into the USSR alliance to protect Poland citizens. In the first place, Stalin could not afford to war with Nazi Germany because the USSR need to recover from the Russian Civil war that the last Russian Tsar incited with his massacre against innocent civilians and because USSR was a developing country at that time. Stalin did ask for Britain and French to help stop Fascism, but the Western European empires are mindlessly worshiping Hitler as the “greatest example of Liberalism” at that time and decided to free ride on Stalin until Stalin also make a non-aggression pack with Hitler to buy time for military mobilization.