People are posting wiki articles with non existent “sources” as proof the soviets were going to join the axis and helped the Nazis.
That OP is posting this on dozens of subs, has regular anti-communist posts and comments. You’d think he’s be classified as a biohazard the way he’s glowing.
Yikes and yowza
Also like 2 of them are even smiling, pretty sad “celebration”. Looks to me like on both sides even ordinary troopers knew they are enemies with eachother.
While for example, this happened while Soviets and Americans met, when both side soldiers genuinly considered themselves allies:
Seeing the Soviet and US soldiers celebrating together makes me sad, in another world we could have all been comrades…
That’s probably why the US went so hard during the cold war. They had to disrupt any notion of solidarity whatsoever.
This is pretty much why Cold War anti-communist rhetoric reaches down to citizens through controlled media, to instill a sense of paralysis against revolutionary critical thought and action.
Just imagine how far the ruling class would get if westerners had been allowed to see Iraqis, Afghans, Libyans, Syrians, Palestinians, Russians, and even Ukrainians as fully human and as fundamentally peaceful as anyone else. Not very far at all, I’d wager.
The fundamental contradictions remain almost untouched in superimperialist capitalism. When your core is rotten, you can either work against core (impossible) or become one with the core. It would only have delayed the inevitable, with an even worse problem of literally dried pulp equivalent Middle East, Russia and other countries.
I see that but if they had been allowed, material conditions would have been different…
Edit: just to clarify this because it might seem that I was doubling down, which was not my intention. I meant that for westerners to have been taught and allowed to humanise people they have been taught to other, it would mean that the material conditions were already changed. I did not mean that material conditions would have changed just because e.g. westerners were allowed to develop their own views without those views being influenced by propaganda. @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmygrad.ml, you’re extremely right to point out that westerners simply thinking differently would not alter the contradictions that lead capitalists into endless wars.
We should be glad Russia and China kept themselves away from western global trend.
A world where we’d be shitposting American flags and pictures of William Z. Foster
Rent free. Just as Lenin intended.
Gonna go ahead and say it, the Molotov-Ribbentropp pact was unironically a good thing given the circumstances (Britain and France both refusing to enter into an anti-fascist alliance with the USSR). A master stroke of diplomacy that forstalled the inevitable and gave the Soviet Union time to develop and arm.
It also let the Soviet Union take back territory that had been stolen during the Polish-Soviet war and save a big chunk of Poland from Nazi rule.
I prefer to think of it as a necessary evil rather than a good thing, but I understand what you mean. Another outcome was that it allowed the Soviets to focus on resisting and weakening Japanese Imperialism, which I almost never see anticommunists mention (let alone discuss).
An anticommunist would probably reply to you saying that the Soviets went in deporting and exterminating millions of peaceful civilians who were simply minding their own business or, at worst, politely expressing their disagreements with Joseph Stalin’s government.
That’s what I tell people too, if Molotov-Ribbentropp wasn’t signed, the Nazis wouldn’t have lost.
Most likely. Look at the timetable of Barbarossa and Soviet retreat and mobilisation effort. If Germans started from the 1939 former Polish-USSR borders (and if independent Baltics let them through, which they would most likely did) Leningrad would fall for sure and Moscow and Stalingard most probably.
It also let the Soviet Union take back territory that had been stolen during the Polish-Soviet war and save a big chunk of Poland from Nazi rule.
could you say more on this?
During the Polish-Soviet war of 1919-1921 – Polish revanchists trying to remake the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth – Poland annexed parts of Ukraine and Belarus that it had controlled prior to 1772. The Peace of Riga formalized this. The Soviet Union took back these territories in the 1939 “invasion.”
i was always critical of the ussr invading poland alongside germany. at least there’s more nuance to it.
There’s also the issue of not letting the nazis take undefended territory. Western pacifism has somehow brainwashed people into thinking that it would’ve been more ethical for the USSR to cede all these territories to the nazis in order to keep the “moral highground”, and not be called an aggressor. Years of the nazi’s scorched earth policy in eastern europe show how wrong that is.
When even r/europe locks your psot, you know you have gone extra fascist
Wonder why it’s locked
And yet Mihailovic, the arch-collaborator, is an anti-communist “hero”
Don’t forget the Finnish forces! Trolling anticommunists into justifying Finnish collaboration with the Axis is ridiculously easy, and forces them to relinquish their ‘both sides were equally bad’ façade by essentially admitting that the Third Reich was ‘the lesser evil’.
They have like 17 monuments of him in Serbia and dozens more in Republika Srpska
That people see him as a hero is so weird. Maybe I’m missing something, but the only argument I’d ever heard in his favor that’s remotely plausible is, “sure, plenty of chetniks collaborated with the Ustase, but Mihailovic had nothing to do with it.” Which basically boils down to “he wasn’t a traitor, just a supremely incompentent general who couldn’t control his own troops.”
Is that really somebody to lionize?
sure, plenty of chetniks collaborated with the Ustase, but Mihailovic had nothing to do with it.
Ya know, I’ve heard the same said about Bandera and OUN back in 2022
Liberal heroes: genocidal maniacs at worst, total losers at best.
Fr, they say that million times, even if chetniks were collaborators and fascists and slaughtered a few hundreds of thousands of people along with nazis, he is not responsible since he didn’t do it himself and couldn’t control them. They even idolize a number of them who killed children and elderly with number of proofs.
Peak role model…
How come Europeans never complain about the Soviets and British teaming up to invade Iran, an officially neutral nation?
I’d be surprised if they know it happened. Otherwise, well, I think we both know why
That could be a picture of a LARP and no one would know the difference. Also, I like how all mention of the Soviets stops in 1939 now. Not a word about the Nazis breaking the non-aggression pact and then comitting a genocide.
It’s even funnier that it all starts in 1939, too. The USSR certainly did not fight the nazis in Spain and did not try to make an alliance with UK and France against the same nazis, nooo.
I can’t say I’m surprised
Europoids are more sympathetic to one of these… and it sure isn’t the Soviets.
