• @frippa@lemmy.ml
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    211 year ago

    Reddit: porn, racism (only against allowed races!) and reactionary thought 24/7 but if you dare to break away from the hive mind thought you’re insta banned

  • 陈卫华是我的英雄
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    111 year ago

    Unpopular opinion, but when Patsocs say that porn should be banned they’re theocrats and whatnot but when asshat redditors like porn they’re immoral degenerates? What is our opinion on this material?

    • DankZedong A
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      231 year ago

      Porn industry is a very damaging and exploiting industry. Porn itself is not bad, of course. If you want to film yourself having sex and you want to post it on the internet for people to look at, be my guest. I don’t think the morality police is going to stop you.

      Patsocs and conservatives wanting to ban porn want to do it for different reasons than MLs for example. No one here want to ban porn because ewww sex is dirty and immoral, MLs want to ban porn as an idustry because the entire industry is rotten to its core.

      • @linkhidalgogato
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        -101 year ago

        is it any more damaging than most other industries under capitalism tho? i wonder what porn actors would say about that, ultimately the lets ban porn approach only serves to look down on the people that make it and they are just working people like everyone else. Every industry is rotten to the core under capitalism they all treat their workers like crap and idk it fucking sucks that ML which we are supposed to be on the side of the people are out here being like “nah fuck this industry and everyone that relies on it to survive” again i wonder what the people that make porn would actually say about that attitude.

        and before you even say it that no one should have to do sex to survive (or work in general to survive) first off thats patronizing towards sex workers and looks down on them and second yeah you are right in a vacuum, but in reality when you take the anti sex work stance right along side reactionaries all you do is side with them, kinda like when people both sides china and the US libs only hear what they want to hear.

        • Arsen6331 ☭
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          131 year ago

          I don’t think anyone here is against the people who rely on it to survive. We’re just against the sex work industry as it exists under capitalism, because it’s incredibly dangerous, exploitative, and coercive, even compared to other industries under capitalism. That is not to say sex work shouldn’t exist. If people want to do it consensually, with no coercion, I don’t think they should be stopped. We’re just against the capitalistic exploitation of people’s bodies and what is, in effect, forcing them to have sex, potentially against their will, because they need money to survive.

    • JucheBot1988
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      151 year ago

      Porn under capitalism is exploitative and anti-human. Porn under socialism is for undisciplined losers whom you don’t want within a hundred miles of membership in the Party.

      But seriously, this is something which generally just shouldn’t be an industry. Think of it this way: it’s a job where you have to be in regular contact with bodily fluids, from multiple people, with minimal protection and in fact in the nude most of the time. If most employers – a hospital, say – required this of its employees, people would rightly be up in arms about it. But add sex, and somehow everybody’s concerns about hazardous working conditions just go away.

      (This is not, by the way, to say that the state should crack down on people who have multiple sex partners. It is true that there is always a certain inherent risk in such activity, but the state should generally not intervene as long as the activity is consensual – one can’t police everything, and individuals should be allowed, within limits, to take risks and do stupid things. Which is why, under socialism, snowboarding will probably still be a thing, but I digress. To coerce people via a specific industry into performing hazardous acts, which do not in any way grow the real economy, is a completely different matter.)

    • @nemesis
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      121 year ago

      I think most communists agree that the porn industry itself is deeply exploitative, but I’ve read many studies that suggest that porn consumption has negative impacts on the consumer as well. I’ve picked out a few to consider below. Note that most of these studies are focused exclusively on cishet relationships and the most commonly consumed types of porn (i.e. mainstream porn). Meaning that queer porn and ethical porn are not considered here.

      Porn use can be bad for your health

      • Adolescent porn use contributes to spread of sexual misinformation (Source)
      • Porn users, compared to non-users, reported greater depressive symptoms, poorer quality of life, more mental‐ and physical‐health diminished days, and lower health status (Source)
      • Frequent porn use in het women correlates with insecurities in appearance and less sexual enjoyment (Source)
      • With fMRI, porn has been observed to be addictive in ways similar to gambling and substance addictions (Source)
      • Other evidence that porn can be addictive (1) (2) (3) (4)

      Porn use has negative impacts on relationships

      • Porn consumption is correlated to sexual dysfunction in both men and women (1) (2)
      • Regardless of marital status, porn use was either associated neutrally or negatively associated with nearly all relationship outcomes, with virtually no positive associations (Source)
      • Separation is more than twice as likely for married Americans that viewed porn as those who did not, even after marital happiness, sexual satisfaction and sociodemographic controls (Source)
      • Porn users are more likely to experience loneliness (Source)

      Porn promotes sexual aggression and violence

      • Porn use linked to increased frequency of sexual choking (Source)
      • Frequent porn consumption is linked to predatory sexual behavior in high school males (Source)
      • Frequent porn consumption associated with adolescent male willingness to forward sexts (Source)
      • 1 in 12 people in the US have been the victim of revenge porn. Women are more likely to be the victim, men the perpetrator (Source)
      • Exposure to pornography and perceiving it as realistic associated with increases sexual aggression risk (Source)
      • From a sample of 4009 heterosexual videos on Pornhub, 45% contain some form of physical aggression. 97% of the targets of aggression were women who were portrayed to have positive or neutral response (Source)
      • Porn consumption is correlated with sexual aggressive behavior, both as aggressors and targets. Women and men who have sex with men have higher report rates of being targets (Source)
      • Association between porn use and sexual aggression are significant; meta-analysis (Source)

      Porn can be dehumanizing:

      • Men with frequent porn use are more likely to engage in mechanistic and animalistic dehumanization of woman (Source)
      • Incel and pornography languages are strikingly similar (Source)
      • Most porn consumers do not care about performer mistreatment (Source)
      • Porn perpetuates racist stereotypes (Source)

      Will all the negative consequences of porn dissipate with the abolition of porn as an industry in a socialist society that continues to permit porn? Instant access to near limitless porn is unprecedented. We are only now scratching the surface on research as to the consequences. I think this is something that will need to be studied and monitored even after transition into socialism. Addiction possibilities and strong links to sexual aggression are especially worrisome to me, and I have concerns that porn may continue to reinforce stereotypes and set unrealistic expectations even within a socialist state.

      • Rondomi🏳️‍⚧️
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        81 year ago

        Under socialism, we would hopefully have much better sex education (and general education) than we do now. Perhaps that would help mitigate the negative effects or equip people to recognize the lack of realism in porn and the misogynistic and racist stereotypes it perpetuates? Assuming such things persist even as conditions change.

    • lemmygrabber
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      81 year ago

      Is there anything that Larouchites advocate for or against for the right reasons? Ever since their turn to “MAGA communism” and pandering to the reactionary white upper middle class Americans they have become indistinguishable from any other right-wing collective.

    • DankZedong A
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      161 year ago

      This is such a needlessly hostile comment, completely overlooking the point. What is wrong with just asking people to explain their POV? No, instead you resort to cheap insults.

      Don’t be a fucking wanker.

    • 陈卫华是我的英雄
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      121 year ago

      politics aside this is the funniest comment I’ve ever seen on lemmygrad. Nothing about whether it’s correct or not, but this is hilarious