Wagner PMC advanced north and west of Klischiivka. Reports indicate that key fortifications to the immediate north of the village have been taken, and attacks on Ivanivske began(along the western highway into Bakhmut). Wagner offensives also reported towards multiple villages to the west of Klischiivka, with Russian gains at least up to the road-line there. Wagner also made small advance from Pidhorodne to the northern areas of Bakhmut, which are now being attacked. Klischiivka was liberated I think. Even yankees are telling Ukronazis to retreat and leave Bakhmut.

Russian attacks along the whole Frontline in Zaporizhia. Multiple villages were liberated, and a Russian advance of several kilometers. Reports of fighting near the crucial logistics hub/town of Orikhiv, as well as reports of Russian offensives further east towards Hulyaipole. Finally the frontline has changed, it’s been half a year.

I hope that offensive will continue and whole Zaporizhzia Oblast will finally be liberated. I hope that Bakhmut be finished until the end of January-early February.

  • @Shrike502
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    You know, it mildly worries me that pretty much anytime we’re hearing about Russian military advances it’s almost always Wagner. Not even DNR militia, and rarely the regular army. Sometimes it’s Chechen spetsnaz. What are we hearing about the regular army instead? Retreats, regroups, losses.

    I’m not sure if it’s a deliberate narrative shaping or just a fuckup of the media, but I personally find it worrying.

    • @PolandIsAStateOfMind
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      Depend on source i guess. Western media will push for Wagner because the ongoing narrative that Wagner=Waffen SS to counter the Azov. Their attitude on Chechens is also pretty revealing, just few years ago they were “heroic freedom fighters” and now it’s back to the “subhuman asiatic heathen horde”.

      • @Shrike502
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        Well I’m largely talking about narratives in Russian media, since it’s evident that western ones will always have a mouth full of dung. Thing is, these people, the PMC ones, they will come back eventually. They’ll have to come back. And these will be professional, trained killers, who have (as it seems from the media) shouldered the burden of heavy assaults and unimaginable urban combat. And what will they find here? “Government didn’t ask you to give birth” bureaucrats? Propaganda telling them they’ve absolved their sins (crimes) through bloodshed? Civvies like me who didn’t get drafted and sat out the war in the comfort of our heated homes?

        • @PolandIsAStateOfMind
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          From what i understand Wagner Group is basically a mercenary outfit and Russia uses them in the similar way as Americans use their mercenaries, so it’s pretty natural from the bourgeois state to put them in the heaviest fight both to spare the regular soldiers and to make the conclusion of those fights more manageable politically.

        • @EuthanatosMurderhobo
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          41 year ago

          Comrade, I swear, you sound like you’re parroting Syomin sometimes…

          First, the gruesome truth - as comrade PolandIsAStateOfMind here said, they’re used as assault troops. Not a whole lot will return alive.

          Secondly, Wagner is picky - no sex offenders, for example. Discipline might be even better than in regular army (I’ll return to this). Sure, I can’t know that, but it’s an educated guess and circumstantial evidence is strong with this one. Rules about unnecessary cruelty in any sort of armed forces are there because it’s very bad for discipline. If Wagner has problems with discipline, I don’t know how the fuck they keep advancing for months where the fighting is heaviest.

          Thirdly, I don’t know about you, but I don’t hear a lot of praise for our prisons as rehabilitation centers. I unironically put my money on the survivors from Wagner being more decent and orderly after that crash course in discipline (also, they have a salary and the survivors after half a year get the bonus and a ticket home, so it’s not like they’re sent back into poverty) than they would’ve been if they served their sentences. Worst case (besides untreated PTSR) they are gonna be about as much pain in the ass as any other former convict. Also, what is your problem with soldiers (not only Wagner) coming back to find shitty bureaucrats? Seems like a good environment for our propaganda to me.

          And now about your original problem. No need to look for conspiracies, really. Mercs are a thing, because they’re more effective on a tactical level, due to bourgeois state’s army inevitably getting bogged down in bureaucracy, careerism and corruption. Theirs is the only part of the frontline where shit’s been moving of late, but the regular army’s been repelling assaults all over the place after the fallbacks, those news are just blending into the background at this point.

          • @Shrike502
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            51 year ago

            I don’t even watch/read Syomin, everything I’ve said was a genuine concern of mine. Other thank you for your insight

            • @EuthanatosMurderhobo
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              Oh, I didn’t mean to imply that. You wouldn’t be writing ~13.3 comments a day here if you were=)

    • @cfgaussian
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      Information control is much tighter for the regular army. The PMCs and militia forces on the other hand seem to like talking about their activities, filming themselves and generally showing off.

      Honestly i don’t think it matters, they are all under a unified command structure of the general staff. They just each have different roles to play.

    • Kaffe
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      Russian regular army hasn’t been involved much (until the new advances this week). The paratroopers were in Kiev in March to force negotiations and left during the first round of talks. The National Guard was in the North and weren’t going to confront the AFU proper, so they retreated, their mobile equipment leads me to believe a quick retreat and evacuation was their mission from the start, to see if Ukraine would chase the bait. The Chechens are hunting the Nationalist battalions.

      I think the PMCs found out that Ukraine was willing to throw bodies 10 to 1 at Bakhmut so they’ll happily take that level of attrition and keep Ukraine occupied there. The other aspects is that the PMCs have political freedom that the Army does not, losses in the Army hurt the state much more.