• @redtea
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    201 year ago

    The CPIA(M) has produced some good texts, but the ‘(Maoist)’ is significant.

    I have not read the linked book, but I imagine it is a critique of China for anything and everything that does not line up with Mao’s collected works (and the CPIA(M)'s interpretation / development of those works). That’s my impression of some of its other outputs.

    I would be tempted not to dismiss it outright, to the extent that it presents primary research. But I would be critical of the narrative imposed on the data. The first paragraph of the book (of the translator’s foreword) contains a few red flags (of course, the translator may not be giving the original source credit):

    In May of 2017, the Central Committee of the Communist Party of India (Maoist) initiated a study posing the question of whether China had or had not become a new imperialist power. The resulting report answers in the affirmative: In the view of the CPI(Maoist), the People’s Republic of China has become a social-imperialist power. Further, the Chinese Communist Party, and its ideology of Socialism with Chinese Characteristics deceives and misleads socialists the world over, rejecting internationalism and revolution for a suite of revisionist justifications upholding and furthering the bourgeois dictatorship in China. The CPI(Maoist) calls on the CCP to abandon its current capitalist-imperialist trajectory, and for progressive comrades within the party to initiate struggle against the imperialist and monopoly capitalist ruling clique.

    From a logical point of view, this is troubling:

    • What is the difference between imperialism and social-imperialism?
    • What is meant by ‘revisionist’?
    • In what sense is the CPC a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie?
    • Why say CCP rather than CPC in a text that presupposes its own rigour and objectivity?
    • What is the significance of finding imperialist practices in China (if they are found) in light of framing China as having a ‘capitalist-imperialist trajectory’, considering that the CPC would reject this framing and likely argue that any capitalism in China is part of a revolutionary-transitionary trajectory?

    I would expect the answers to these questions in the book. Otherwise I would be skeptical. If answers to these questions are not transparent in the text, I would question its rigour. But either way, finding or not finding those answers to those questions would determine how valuable the research is. (I.e. valuable for presenting a possibly flawed but good faith argument, or not valuable for presenting an argument that is premised on anti-CPC sentiment in bad faith.)

    It is also worth noting that the final point in the quote above is very crafty writing, as it gives the CPIA(M) a convenient get-out clause if it is wrong. This is worse than academic hedging. If it turns out that China does implement more and more socialism in the coming decades, the CPIA(M) can claim that China did in fact change its trajectory (because of or regardless of the CPIA(M) suggestion). And if not, the CPIA(M) can claim that China is still on the wrong path. The claim is written in non-falsifiable terms.

    • ps1_lenin
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      101 year ago

      What is the difference between imperialism and social-imperialism?

      I would love to hear a proper answer to this. Doesn’t the implication of social-imperialism contradict the base–superstructure model of dialectical materialism?

      • @ComradeSalad
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        141 year ago

        Ironically, the closest definition you can get for “social imperialism” when pressing Maoists is just cultural imperialism. Which of course the United States and the West are the core proponents of. Which also makes little sense, because if China was “lying” why keep up the veneer of socialism??? It would be insanely more profitable for the bourgeoisie to just become a liberal bourgeoisie representative “democracy” and fully integrate into the West’s economy.

        I honestly can’t think of a single instance of China directly influencing a target country with a “social” or cultural imperialist model. Even the DPRK, who has been intimately tied to China socially, economically, and politically for the past 70 years is almost largely unaffected by China in every aspect. On the flip side, what is Canada other then a simple America 2.0 after decades of direct US influence?

        • ps1_lenin
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          41 year ago

          Good point, Canada is basically just the 51st state.

      • Muad'DibberA
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        121 year ago

        Social imperialism is meaningless and anti-materialist. That Mexican food is popular in many other countries does not mean that Mexico is practicing imperialism (the theft of surplus value, land, labor, and resources, from a weaker country by a stronger one).

      • @cfgaussian
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        1 year ago

        The term “social-imperialism” was invented by Trotskyists to justify their habit of attacking and denigrating the USSR and adopting a “both sides bad” stance to the global class war (aka the “cold war”). The USSR was constantly slandered as “social-imperialist” by the imperialism-compatible western left. It is a meaningless label that was only made up to somehow try to square the circle of a socialist country that was the greatest enemy of the capitalist imperialist camp and that contributed more than any other power in history to decolonization and liberation movements in the global south allegedly being at the same time itself imperialist. It made no sense then and it makes no sense now for the PRC.

        How can a country be imperialist when it is socialist? The very notion goes against Lenin’s recognition of imperialism as the highest stage of capitalism. The simple answer is that it cannot. This is why it is vital for those seeking to muddy the waters and confuse the global proletariat, if they wish to be able to credibly label China as imperialist, to first deny China’s socialist nature. Hence all the accusations you hear of “state-capitalism”, China being “socialist in name only”, etc. This is much more effective than the whole “social-imperialism” angle that the average person is not gonna understand unless they are already a dyed in the wool ultra-leftist fully immersed in Trotskyist/Maoist dogma and terminology.

      • @redtea
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        61 year ago

        I think others have answered this better than I could on social imperialism!

        I’ll add – briefly (for me) and at risk of starting an argument that probably deserves its own thread ;) – something about the base-superstructure model.

        Law (part of the superstructure), for example, can have a material force and can affect the base. Althusser argues in ‘Ideology and Ideological State Apparatuses (Notes towards an Investigation)’:

        (1) there is a ‘relative autonomy’ of the superstructure with respect to the base; (2) there is a ‘reciprocal action’ of the superstructure on the base.

        Still, he agreed, ‘the base … in the last instance determines the whole edifice’.

        Broadly, I think you’re right, if social-imperialism implies that putting a few hidden messages in the odd novel and movie will be enough bring about world revolution. There’s a problem: if the CPI(M) is right, China is not seeking world revolution, but only its own bourgeois hegemony, so its ‘social-imperialism’ would not be intended to shift the political economy but only the balance of global power. This would still fit with the base-superstructure model.

        But if this use of ‘social-imperialism’ is a reference to soft power or ‘cultural imperialism’ in the sense of ‘cultural bolshevism’, it could suggest that China hopes to turn the world red by hiding messages in its entertainment media. In that case, I think you would be right about the contradiction. More troubling, perhaps, that would also suggest a reliance on Nazi talking points (not so surprising if @cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml is right about ‘social imperialism’ and Trotskyists).

    • Anna ☭🏳️‍⚧️
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      91 year ago

      Note that I don’t want to defend the text, but I want to present some fair grounds:

      Firstly, Social-imperialism is not anti-materialist. Lenin himself stated examples of social-imperialism and he defined social-imperialism as “Socialist in name, imperialist in deeds”. So in reality, the only distinction between social-imperialism and imperialism is the label, and not the action itself.

      Secondly, the audience (supposedly) for this text is those who are marxists. You should already have a familiar idea with what revisionism is (a deviation from and distortion of marxist theory). Therefore it isn’t really fair to address that you need to state definitions from the get-go.

      I agree with most of your criticism however, and I believe this work should be rightfully critiqued.

      • @redtea
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        91 year ago

        Those are fair points!

        I had not picked up on Lenin talking about social imperialism. I’ll keep an eye out.

  • Max
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    181 year ago

    It’s not that long so I read through most of it. Typical annoying Maoist rhetorical strategies and psychologizing about the motivations of previous revolutionaries. The notion that China is an integral part of the capitalist system is frankly obvious and bizarre to deny. The predictions in the text largely haven’t had a chance to mature yet, so that remains to be seen. Military conflicts between Chinese proxies and U.S. proxies hasn’t taken place, and the Chinese allergy to aiding the Russians in Ukraine seems to undermine the idea that Russian and Chinese multipolarity is aligned. They seem to want to cast BRICS under China and NATO under the U.S. as the two imperial powers but I don’t think we’ve seen BRICS and NATO operate in analogous ways yet.

  • Anna ☭🏳️‍⚧️
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    141 year ago

    CPI (Maoist) has always been a constant threat to legitimate marxist parties such as CPI (Marxist). I read through it, and it’s basically starting off with a false premise. It immediately asserts itself that China is indeed social-imperialist, but doesn’t really explain why until later on. So basically, if this is supposed to be something ‘educational’ or something to learn from, why state your inherent biases from the very start? More so, why do you need to state an axiom although it contradicts dialectics?

    They utilise gish galloping techniques, ignore the material conditions regarding China (especially during the Cultural Revolution), and thinks itself as right, and then immediately starts to state that China indeed does fit the 5 characteristics of imperialism, outright ignoring material conditions. Overall, this work is bullshit, and no one should ever look at this as a legitimate way of learning about China.

  • @lil_tank
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    101 year ago

    Lots of words but actually no analytical work is done. I was convinced that DOTP is real in China because of a number of arguments that this text doesn’t even evoke. It is actually very vague when it’s not narrating marginally useful historical context. I found no attempt to use dialectical materialism in a way or another.

  • @BenEarlDaMarxist
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    51 year ago

    Didn’t bother to read. But considering they use the word “social-imperialism” in the title and cover, I feel like the author of this book is a western leftist at best.