This is not a discussion about if Iraq was better under him or U.S imperialism since it was obviously better under saddam and he shouldn’t have been dethroned. I am asking about your takes on Saddam since some considering him a fascist. I want Your thoughts what what justifies his action to you.
Iraq was socialist before saddam too, he didn’t bring it there.
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Are you iraqi btw
I am not
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That is a very good lecture. Ba’athism is at the very least an anti-imperialist movement, and should be supported along those lines.
I don’t have a ton of expertise in this area of history, but the USSR didn’t always have the best policies for bringing proletarian parties to power in the ME (excepting at least that time they aided egypt and fought a secret war against Israel). We shouldn’t be dogmatic about always supporting communist parties simply because they have communist in their name.
So not that I’m trying to debunk your take on Saddam or anything, but I do want to point out that a state owned enterprise percentage doesn’t really say anything if the state is not run by the people and doesn’t give a shit about workers’ rights. And I think that we should keep that in mind.
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An international political economy professor in Canada provided some interesting information about Saddam Husain: 1) He used to have good relation with American government by buying military supplies from USA; 2) USA decided to overthrow him after Saddam decided to nationalize oil in his country; 3) refugees from Iraq reported that the Saddam’s reign has better living condition than today. From these information, I could guess that Saddam Husain is one of the ‘not really evil person who the USA government overthrow for sake of profit’.
Yes he was a US ally and iirc Donald Rumsfeld (during the Reagan years) praised him. The US was basically using him against Iran, because the west has an irrational hatred of Iran.
When he started to try things like nationalize oil, that’s when the west started to turn on him
Attacking Iran was absolutely unnecessary
Yeah, just a bruh monent… Also the war crimes
I mean he was anti-imperialist and stuff but Baath Party was anti-comm for sure. Check more on it from the Blowback Podcast Season 1
This lecture posted by @Binkie55: https://youtu.be/ufJzwzdM8sE, explains that the Baathists and Nasserists allied against the Communists who supported the Military regime. The Baath party regretted letting their revolution get to the point of armed conflict with the Communists. Later when they were betrayed by the Nassersists, they allied with the Communists and from then on had good terms. The Baath party grew closer with the USSR once they returned to power in the 60s and maintained the friendship.
I just learned of this history, but it sounds like the Iraqi Communist party had an issue with Dogmatism. The main disagreement between the Baath and the Comms were that the Comms supported Israel through the Comintern line, while the Baath immediately saw Israel as a colonial occupation. The Iraqi Communists also considered the Baath and Nassersists as bourgeois nationalists (for the Nasserists, fair criticism). I think the Baath consideration of reality was more correct, that Syria and Iraq were still in a primarily feudal stage of development and de-colonization was objectively more important than settling ideological differences amongst the anti-imperialists groups. “Workers, peasants, and oppressed peoples unite!”
That is a good point actually. Thank you for helping to keep things nuanced because it’s never good to boil things down to Good or Bad, which I am guilty of on occasion. Israel deserves zero support from the working class, we should definitely stand against Settler Colonialism at all costs
Bad dude
but Iraq did not deserve to be destroyed like that
US puppet whose usefulness was up. He attacked Iran and caused immense suffering at the behest of the US and its gulf state puppets. It’s unfortunate, that so many suffered during and after his reign.
Edit: also murdered Qasim to come to power and make Iraq a client state of the US.
