The US keeps talking about leading NATO in a counter attack against Russia if Russia uses nukes.

They keep saying this and with the recent events of Nordstream, Im becoming increasingly worried that the US is fixing to do a false flag.

And none of the US and EU’s behavior have been making any sense as of late.

  • @Leninismydad
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    321 year ago

    I tend to agree with the belief that this is a coordinated effort to finally push Europe economically, fully into the US economic zone, forcing further and further reliance on the US.

    While the country domestically is a shit show, the empire is moving into some pretty frightening postures which indicate further escalation of economic and military violence.

    • @bleepingblorp
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      91 year ago

      When things are a shitshow domestically, it is a common tactic of the owning class to try to divert the gaze of the working class away from the domestic and toward the international, stoking war to do so.

    • JucheBot1988
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      81 year ago

      Is there any chance the US will go too far and push Europe closer to Russia?

      • @bleepingblorp
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        111 year ago

        The West has been Russophobic for too many generations for that to be likely.

  • Free PalestineA
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    271 year ago

    Russia doesn’t have any reason to use their nuclear arsenal, especially not in Ukraine. If it was used, it’d be used tactically to cripple one of the powers that could bear a real threat to Russia, such as the US.

    Tactical nuke doctrine sees nuclear warheads as a strategic tool to be pointed toward military targets such as supply depots, bases, etc. Not civilian targets, such as cities. They’re also reserved as a last-ditch effort, using them is a political nightmare so it’s best for all parties if they’re saved until the last possible moment.

    That’s not to say the powers that own them will stick to that, they’ll do what they see as necessary. But if a nuclear warhead is used in the current war, odds point more to it being an op.

    My personal opinion on the matter is the US is going to throw around the “nuke” word a bunch for the next few months (or however long it takes), then claim they’re getting more involved in the war to prevent their use. Evolving the rhetoric from an “if” Russia uses them, to a “when”.

    • @holdengreen
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      141 year ago

      My personal opinion on the matter is the US is going to throw around the “nuke” word a bunch for the next few months (or however long it takes), then claim they’re getting more involved in the war to prevent their use. Evolving the rhetoric from an “if” Russia uses them, to a “when”.

      That was my impression that it is some sort of asinine mind op.

      But I think the op has a point additionally.

  • @holdengreen
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    1 year ago

    You think they want to do a false flag involving nukes? My mom had cable on and I hear the spooks going on about Putin supposedly wanting to use nukes. They used a specific phrase for the type of nuclear attack which may be familiar to people following what the neocons/libs are always up to. Definitely up their ally. Can’t remember the phrase exactly sorry. It implies that somehow they would be tactical or something and localized and somehow better than just using ICBMs I think.

    • @GloriousDoubleKOP
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      101 year ago

      I think the US is trolling for a reason to get involved some way. Another poster explained it better that the USA keeps talking about these nukes and changes to story to “We gotta get involved to prevent Russia from using a nuke.”

      • @holdengreen
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        81 year ago

        In some way? Usonians would be out of their minds to except the escalations and troop deployments that I may expect from that. Maybe the rulers think they can get away with it 🤷‍♂️.

        • @carpe_modo
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          81 year ago

          Eh… The liberals here are definitely building up to accepting it.

        • @GloriousDoubleKOP
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          51 year ago

          Honestly. Your guess is as good as mine. There is LOTS of shit talking from common yanks. But everybody’s gangster until they gotta sling lead.

    • @Franfran2424
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      41 year ago

      Tactical nukes, ones used against tactical targets (military ones), not strategic targets (resources and infrastructure, population and economy)

  • Max
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    111 year ago

    I’ve thought about this too and I don’t think a US backed false flag is an unreasonable concern but I keep coming back to my belief that the US doesn’t want open warfare with Russia. There’s no benefit to it. So much of this is money that no longer gets used on arm sales in Afghanistan needing a place to be parked. That said, Putin sees this war as an existential threat and has decided (rightfully so) that the west will not meaningfully negotiate with Russia under any circumstance. During the Cold War, the US consistently dominated soviet foreign policy by threatening to end the world with nuclear war. Threatening to be the bringer of the apocalypse has great strategic benefit. All the countries near Russia (eg Poland, Germany, Finland) know that they’re toast in the case of a nuclear war. They will significantly alter their policy in response and make every overture to prevent a meaningful US response in case of Russia using nukes. Breaking up the European block has value for Russia, and they may see that as the only way to do it, especially if cutting off energy to central europe this winter doesn’t do the trick. I’d say we’re as close to to seeing the use of nuclear weapons as we ever have been before, but I don’t see the US using an apocalyptic response strategy. It’s bad for business and the powers that be in the west ultimately don’t care about anything else

  • ButtigiegMineralMap
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    81 year ago

    Very interesting that USA is practically sacrificing the national bourgeoisie of nearly every nation in Europe. The ones who are doing well or will do well are some sections of the national bourgeoisie in USA(not entirely bc inflation has hit some markets harder than others) All NatSec industries (which will sell weapons to Europe+NATO) and some certain international industries based on crude oil, natural resources. To paraphrase what Parenti said in his Yellow-stained speech, the companies that were regional have gone national. The national companies have gone international, those companies that stayed national, you can’t even remember their names.