• AgreeableLandscape☭
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    2 years ago

    Environmental science major here, It’ll please you to know that in the actual environmental science field that does actual research and climate change projections and stuff, almost everyone are calling bullshit on all that too (yes, even in the West, at least the people I interact with). All my profs are like “by the way, I don’t want to hear any bullshit about how we should cull humanity or climate change is the developing world’s fault.” And pretty much everyone agrees that it’s the rich assholes that are to blame. But hey, we’re just scientists right? Obviously we know less about environmental science than politicians and journalists.

    • @roccopun
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      142 years ago

      This is encouraging that at least people in the science are still acting in good faith. Not surprised that once again it is capital dominating the narrative with their stink through lackey scientists/politicians/activists/propagandists.

  • @BenEarlDaMarxist
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    182 years ago

    The West whenever they run out of “this is the consumer’s fault” excuses in terms of addressing enviornmentalism:

    • @whoami
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      22 years ago

      That’s a great article

      “Will socialism be knocking at the door if Bolivia stops producing raw materials?”

  • DankZedong A
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    132 years ago

    Our party is setting up a campaign to tackle the indivualist vision of combatting climate change. It’s addressing a lot of these kinds of rhetoric. Your ecological footprint, green capitalism, overpopulation etc. And for the few people I’ve explained this to so far, it seems to land pretty well.

    This is not to say we should do nothing on an individual level to combat this. We do, because every little bit helps. But there’s no point in, for example, shun poor people about them not being vega(n) if meat is heavily subsidized and cheaper than a plant based diet in some cases. Or to shun people for buying fast fashion when it’s ten times cheaper than eco friendly clothing. Or to say people should take shorter showers when 70% of the pollution is caused by big industry.

    My point is: these talking points are nothing more than capitalist greenwashing and we should do everything we can to raise awareness to this.

    • @xenautika
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      72 years ago

      the individualist shaming of resource management disproportionately affects the poor and the unhoused. i often see liberals, who you would think are positioned to be more humane than outright reactionaries, complain about homeless camps because they are “polluting the creeks”

      folks develop reactionary despair. in the face of giant polluting conglomerates and lack of political consciousness, they end up blaming and policing the individual for not examples you describe.

  • @fruityloop
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    112 years ago

    I’m going to [REDACTED] if I hear about this “Africans should eat bugs” shit one more time.

    • @whoami
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      22 years ago

      that was an eye opener

  • @xenautika
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    eco fascist tendencies often spread initially from disillusioned reactionary attitudes associated with green capitalism that have been mentioned here and in other recent threads. this kind of process further discourages people from developing empathy and solidarity and respecting that we are often trapped in destructive consumption cycles.

    I’ve worked in native restoration, agroecology and as an accomplice in land-based decolonization efforts in USA for quite a while now, and I constantly find people who style themselves as left leaning adopting the right-wing prepper mentality of living individualistically off grid, distrusting “the city” and othering urban lifestyles and people, being skeptical that people will ever “get it,” that they pollute their minds and body with “dangerous chemicals”, gaslighting their choices and behaviors because they’re just not “connected to gaia”, and all the while deciding they have the best solution, their land is the best land, and everyone should listen to them and help them build their “community”

    looking at how hard they make it for themselves with their me vs the world attitudes, distrusting everything that isn’t part of the new age eco cult, and their asocial tendencies reinforced by unforgiving processes in nature and climate change, these people will fantasize about spiteful eugenics over the downfall of “industrial society” in order for them to feel right and just in their efforts to “rewild”. these almost-always white people group with each other and develop neo-pagan identities that without any self-reflection adopt highly problematic esoteric naturalist, permaculturist, neo-settler and eugenicist heroes and role models, such as Rudolph Steiner and Joel Salatin.

    out of all the fascist influences a self-describing progressive, liberal or apolitical/independent could fall into, eco-fascism paired with an unforgiving changing climate seems to me the most persuasive.