Praise pedo incest man with one testicle!!!
but in all seriousness, what the fuck
Also, what the fuck happened to lemmy.ml? It’s not even just liberals anymore, it’s flooded with racists and I’ve even seen one account named “YouWillNeverBeAWoman.”
Also racists with repeat offences only getting temporary bans? And some not even that?!
YouWillNeverBeAWoman
I saw them! Why are people like that allowed?
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I honestly think it’s some bastards from GenUSA or some other Reddit fascist hellhole.
I mean you have new accounts all of a sudden show up, start trouble, insult people, demand that communists be banned, and that lemmy defederate from lemmygrad? That’s definitely a raid
Lemmy.ml admin: Unfortunately, they’ve figured out that they can just lie on the signup questions and we’ll let them in, because we can’t verify what their real intentions are. Believe it or not, it was worse back when we had open signups, but the issue now is that Lemmy is getting more popular, meaning both more socialist users and more reactionaries.
Also, please report stuff you think violated the rules. We’ve actually gotten few reports of stuff related to racism or attacking users, from Lemmygrad or otherwise. Unfortunately, none of us are full time admins, and we don’t have time to read every comment on every thread (I personally try to steer clear of lib threads and honestly have to force myself to look at some for moderation purposes, but obviously that’s not enough because I haven’t seen much of the things people here are saying happens).
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I think it’s a global issue in Lemmy. We both see it, but if the lemmygrad mods dismiss it before we get to it, it goes into the dismissed section for us too.
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I guess a simple stopgap solution for now is to check the dismissed section along with the active section.
I think the “lore” with the user “at no point in time will you exist as this one specific gender” is that there was confusion as to whether it was in reference to something not related to transgender identity. Your comment actually prompted me to go back and reassess this, and I no longer think this is the case. They have been asked multiple times by multiple people what their username means, and they’ve ignored all of them. If it was in reference to something innocuous, you’d think they’d say that to at least attempt to clear their name. I’ve banned them.
I think you all need to wise up to what you’re dealing with. This is beyond just acting in good faith. The user should have been suspended until explaining their name and if they offered one single ounce of misbehaviour in their response to this very obvious mod action to take then the perma should have dropped.
It’s really wild that you’re being so soft with something so incredibly obvious. And yet you’re demanding people remove phrases like “fuck off” from a comment or suffer a site permaban. You’re being harsher with the ridiculous liberal tone policing than with actual hatespeech.
I do agree that this particular user was overlooked. I actually wanted to ban them ages ago, but (IIRC) another admin disagreed, see above. I probably should have spoken against it more or just taken the initiative initially, I admit. I actually didn’t mention my desire to ban them to the other admins at all, which wasn’t good.
I also want to clear up that I have not been the one banning communists for using words like fuck off (I didn’t ban Catraism for example). They also don’t get permabanned unless there’s something else a lot more serious going on.
I also disageee that we cater to libs or treat them with any more favour than communists. Actually, we’ve very much been overlooking communists breaking the rules way more than libs or conservatives. I haven’t counted, but pretty sure more of the stuff in the modlog (from us, don’t mistake the actions of other instances for ours because it all shows up in the same feed. Example: the screenshot attached to this very post had nothing to do with anyone on Lemmy.ml and was an action undertaken by the mods of !anarchism@lemmy.ca.) is dealings with liberals, not communists. Again, half the admins are ML, me included.
You treat them with more favour than communists because the nature of communists (and other leftists) is that we generally don’t seek to abuse site systems in any which way we can in order to achieve political goals. The liberals currently attacking your site are (I suspect) the same wreckers that have attempted to attack hexbear numerous times, they are committed, will not go away easily, and you will need to learn to recognise their tactics and methods quickly in order to deal with them. You will also need to inoculate the wider community to wrecker activity, in that they will need teaching of wrecker tactics, methods, how to spot them and that their reports are genuinely useful in getting them.
When one side is actively weaponising you (the modteam) as a tool against their political opponents while the other side is not, the outcome is that you come down against the leftists more than the liberals.
I will keep raising the point that tone policing rules have a liberalising effect on communities by alienating working class voices that don’t “speak right”. These rules in particular will be weaponised by wreckers in a particularly effective way.
I also don’t think I understand what you’re getting at. Going by the activity in the modlog, we actually rarely remove stuff from communists even when they technically break the rules, we even more rarely ban communists. We remove and ban libs and especially conservatives a lot more often. Part of that is actually because communists tend to be mode civil than libs.
Again, no need to take my word for it, that’s what the modlog is for. If you have any specific concerns with a particular mod action, feel free to ask me about it.
I’m also confused by your insistence on getting rid of tone policing. Just to be clear: being angry, frustrated, salty, sarcastic, incredulous, etc are all not against the rules, and you can see in the instance that those tones happen all the time and we allow those tones all the time. Basically the only thing that would violate the be civil rule, in practice, is direct personal attacks (example, “fuck you” as opposed to “fuck off”, and even a fuck you by itself is unlikely to warrant a direct mod action based on my observed behaviour from me and the other admins), and direct threats like “I’m going to come over to your house and kill you”. I get the impression that you think we strictly enforce being civil as in “you can only talk in a formal, emotionless, robotic voice no matter how bad faith the other side is arguing”, which isn’t true. I really don’t think disallowing that very narrow definition of personal attacks and threats harms the working class’s discourse. If you have specific examples to help me understand your view, I’d love to see them.
I get the impression that you think we strictly enforce being civil as in “you can only talk in a formal, emotionless, robotic voice no matter how bad faith the other side is arguing”, which isn’t true.
I have participated on one single thread on this account which I’ve sat on for 3+ years. I received a warning via PM for the one single instance of me telling a lib to fuck off when they pull the “whataboutism” card for pointing at the western 5 Eyes and Snowden revelations in response to their claims that China is the biggest mass surveillance state in the world. If you say something is the worst you are making a comparison with others and claiming “whataboutism” when people point out you’re fucking wrong is ridiculous and someone deserves to be told to fuck off for that shit.
For the one single “fuck off” in my responses(edited now but it was in the first line after “Bruh.”) I was warned via PM that if I do not edit my comment it would be removed.
How these rules are interpreted and implemented by others in the team seems to be different to how you think. A communist arguing with a liberal on the site will get picked up for this shit in the very first thread they participate in for one single instance of it. This is how tone policing rules always end up. And as a result of getting picked up for it I’m not alienated from the instance, I don’t want to be in an instance where I will get slapped repeatedly for not speaking right or for going off now and then, very rightly so in some cases.
Warned by PM? Can you post a screenshot with the username and timestamp visible? That’s very unusual because the admins on Lemmy.ml tend to publicly post their warnings as a direct reply, with the actual intent being transparency. I’d like to see the exact nature of the conversation.
Also, keep in mind that if this was three years ago, it would have been close to the Lemmy project first being started, when federation was still a distant feature a lot of critics doubted would ever actually be implemented, and we likely would have been inexperienced at modding (I wasn’t even an admin then), and our views certainly have changed a lot in those three years. I don’t think it’s fair to judge us based on mod actions that long ago, when we have a modlog if much more recent actions.NVM I misinterpreted it as this happening three years ago. Checked your profile, and all your activity was actually from yesterday. That does make it very different.
Yeah, I just saw that. Was it done correctly? The modlog says they were banned from the Lemmy Support community,
and as far as I can tell, they’ve not participated in that community, so I’m assuming it was meant to be instance-wide.Edit: Never mind, it seems some posts did not show up for me, my bad.
Ah crap. Note to self, get off Lemmy and don’t try to do moderation stuff in bed at 3 AM. Fixed.
Much appreciated, thank you for your work.
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Reddit has infinite trollpower and some of them noticed most ML’s left their shitstain site.
Still, lemmy admins aren’t doing too cool. Reddit subs despite rigorous purging fell to libs and ultras takeover, and here they don’t even try to contain that plague.
beehaw is getting wayyyy more reactionary. But they are very civil as of now. I think ignoring it is the best course of action. It does not have close enough to a shadow of a user-base necessary to keep engagement and attract content.
If this instance wants to see these attacks fail then it should get behind helping fill the skill gaps Hexbear needs to get federated.
All of this will basically go away as lemmygrad will gain an ally that dwarfs all the other instances combined in total content output. It’s also extremely beneficial that Hexbear is a mixed ideology leftist site of likeminded principled anti-imperialists who genuinely do not do any infighting. When Hexbear’s userbase steps up to defend lemmygrad in the federation it will not be possible to slander it as “fascist”. The landscape will be lemmygrad as hard ML, Hexbear as mixed ground anarchist, soft left and ML, then everything new that’s made because Hexbear isn’t liberal enough will just clearly be liberal. It won’t be possible for the neoliberals to coopt the leftist aesthetics, which is what’s really going on here, they are trying to do wrecker attacks on the actual leftist spaces and replace them with fake leftist spaces run by liberals.
This also extends to ops that are occurring here. Keep an eye out for calls to split from the lemmy federation, these calls are being made by wrecker accounts that are only days old. Splitting lemmygrad from its source of growth and its ability to influence the future course of the project is only beneficial to liberals.
Hexbear’s userbase is so massive compared to Lemmygrad’s that I’m both excited and slightly scared about federating with it
Lemmygrad will only benefit from it, 100% certain.
There will be absolutely no issues with hexbear users because the site culture of hexbear is anti-infighting among the left. All leftists there are comrades.
The effect on lemmygrad will just be a large boost in commenting while the effect on Lemmy will be that it takes over as the primary “mixed” leftist space. The other spaces have been created as weapons and should be viewed similarly in my opinion to spaces on reddit like tankiejerk and the “v2” subreddits of TRCM, GaP and others that were all created as anti-tankie staging grounds to try and undermine the original subreddits. All that shit they tried over on reddit ultimately only hardened the reddit left and forced it to better organise and mix. Honestly I think the feds/neoliberals/whatever that were orchestrating it made horrible mistakes because the reaction was that it radicalised basically every single team that they attacked and hardened the entire left.
These groups have brought the same tactics from reddit over to lemmy and they will collapse via the same methods that they collapsed on reddit. They’re also in a much worse position vis a vis the federation because once they are outed as a staging ground for purely wrecker shit they will end up outside the federation.
Anyway the long and the short of it is that Hexbear is perfect for pulling heat off lemmygrad and the userbase, admins and mods over there has dealt with so much wrecker shit that their userbase joining the federation will hurt the wreckers considerably.
That does sound rather swell
It is which is why people should fucking help Hexbear if they like this space and have any of the skills they need. There’s a whole ecosystem of interlocking parts that the left needs to stave off this bullshit and different instances that accomplish different tasks will be beneficial to all other leftist instances when properly brought together.
But why did hexbear decide to fork lemmy instead of contributing to it directly? They would have been federated by now.
But doesn’t Hexbear run on it’s own fork of Lemmy? Is it possible to federate in this case, and is there even support for federation within the Hexbear instance?
It is steadily working to bring itself back so it can federate but my understanding is this is not trivial and they need more help from people with the right skillset.
Any docu links or issues or so outlining their precise needs on this?
Not public to my knowledge, hexbear is quite heavy on their opsec. The last time this was mentioned I think was:
If you know Rust or are familiar with the Diesel library, and want to help us get the long-term fix in, please reach out to:
From here: https://www.hexbear.net/post/214011
Hey, this just came up that might be of interest. https://www.hexbear.net/post/216613
Very interesting, but not surprising.
I will say though, I hope these aren’t the same people who were on the front page just last week upset about baseless name calling, because some people use the word „liberal“ in response to their comments. That would reveal a real lack of self-awareness.
the ones in the comments were
They meant that you troll nazis, “Nazi troll”, not that you are a Nazi who trolls, “Nazi troll”.
This is what happens when you don’t purge liberals.
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The war continues, as it always shall!
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Seems like someone made a beehaw account with the same username as yours, or am I reading this wrong?
Nope, I went on beehaw, and the “anarchists” banned me for being a nazi. Its at the top of the lemmy modlist, the profile literally didn’t even say anything mean! I hadn’t even changed it to Bowism-Stalinism!
By the looks of it, their whole shtick is hating “evil tankie redfash” and “debate me now!!!”
I say: hue and cry over Kronstadt
“debate me now!!!”
But don’t, like, actually present an actual procommunist debate. They don’t like that.
By the looks of it, their whole shtick is hating “evil tankie redfash” and “debate me now!!!”
Vaushites then?
Western-style “leftism.” I’m so tired of it. You can’t deal with capitalists without power, and you can not attain power via vibes.
This why capitalists aren’t as scared as they should be. They can just throw a big “look over there” in the form of “but other countries worse, they don’t have any rights, unlike our glorious state,” and Western “leftists” fall for it hook, line and sinker, every damn time.
Western-style “leftism.”
I mean, yes and no. I see quite different problems happening in the American left compared to the British left which is quite united and organised. That shit really doesn’t work well here.
With that said we’re in the buildup rumblings of a general strike and we have the organisational means to actually carry it out so things are quite different at the organisational level and not just the ideological level.
Meanwhile the shit going on over in Greece is also extremely cool.
Libs being weirdos lmao, it was kinda funny
