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I’ll get hate here (this instance/community) but I don’t give a fuck.
There’s more than one way to skin a cat. I don’t care if it’s welfare capitalism, UBI, socialism or fucking whatever. SOMEONE needs to do SOMETHING to give people that work less profitable/high class/whatever jobs a decent humane life.
Everyone’s work is important, otherwise it wouldn’t be done. And they deserve to live a decent life.
Does that mean they go on intercontiental holidays to 5 star hotels? No. Does that mean they can afford food, heat, shelter and the ability to start a family? Yes.
Wait. Why would that get hate here?
Pretty sure it’s just a way to bait more upvotes.
Upvotes serve the same purpose as the Facebook Like button 👍
It definitely wouldn’t.
How about this then:
Norway only has great social welfare programs because it sells so much oil from the North Sea. We’re subsidizing their better lives and EV greenwashing with CO2.
How about no. Sweden has no oil and is doing almost as good.
I don’t want to get any hate here but I think trump sucks.
communities based on specific ideologies don’t tend to accept other ways of solutioning… sometimes.
EDIT : also, my approach/suggestion is “capitalism not so bad” which isn’t in line with the zoomer way of seeing things, and they’re right for it, but not right in solving the problems they have.
also, my approach/suggestion is “capitalism not so bad”
i dont think this is that controversial either. it can be comfortable/have reins, like the meme exemplifies with north european countries.
my problem is that it depends entirely on the generosity of the burgeoise, and inevitably goes runaway and soon we have to bomb other countries/enslave people to keep the rich getting richer. infinite growth and stuff is hard to sustain.
I only downvoted to make sure you get the hate you expect. Your opinion is not at all controversial.
I agree with everything you said in your comment, but it seems like an odd response to this particular meme.
In this meme we have the same person saying two things:
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You can’t use Norway as an example of Socialism being successful because it’s not really socialism.
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We can’t have social safety nets in our country (probably the U.S. in this case) because that would be socialism, and socialism doesn’t work.
That person is not interested in helping reduce exploitation and preventing needless suffering.
That person is not arguing in good faith.
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Does that mean they go on intercontiental holidays to 5 star hotels? No. Does that mean they can afford food, heat, shelter and the ability to start a family? Yes.
Going on intercontinental holidays to 5 star hotels off profits from low wages is how socialism for the rich works. The rich then use this fact to say socialism is bad. I’ve seen kittens do less to a ball of yarn in a fit of rage than the Plutocrats have done with people’s minds with their propaganda.
I don’t care if it’s welfare capitalism, UBI, socialism or fucking whatever.
Shouldn’t you? I mean this is pretty basic fucking knowledge for some of the ways to go about it, and they are quite different. And it’s also not like you have to go 100% all in one of them either. Seems like what you want, is also the core ideology of social democracy with a strong welfare system. Here’s a thought: maybe that’s what you want, and you should care? I’m guessing that you live in a country so completely fucked in all available directions of politics, and in that process forgot what workers rights were 50 years ago.
I live in Norway. People in otherwise underpaid professions such as teaching can afford to go on intercontinental holidays. Even more than once a year, if that’s what they want to do. Though I will agree that staying at a 5 star hotel would be a silly expense. That stuff still requires the perks of exploitative capitalism, for which teaching is too useful.
Apologies if I’m being a bit rude. But the “I don’t want to care about how stuff is and works, but how stuff is and works shouldn’t be the way it is!” anti-intellectual attitude is annoying af.
US politics, often on both ends, semi-purposefully failing to acknowledge the difference between social democrats and socialists is both weirdly sticky and frankly makes it very hard to talk about politics with them at all.
Social democrats in places where this is not the case are so often considered borderline neoliberal, centrist traitors by communists and other far left people, and the distinction between liberalism and social democracy is seen as more a matter of nuance than between social democracy and communism.
Although I guess that’s changing because American fascists exported their playbook and now conservatives all over the world talk about “freedom” and push anarchocapitalist ideas they’ve copy-pasted from the mothership, so if anything everybody else is drifting towards this nonsense now.
I am once again telling Westoids that socialism is not when welfare state.
I don’t think it’s a bad thing that people misunderstand what socialism is. After nearly a century of anticommunist propaganda, people adopting the label of “socialist” for socdem out of ignorance means we can more easily convince people about real socialism.
Norway is a terrible example for a “country that has socialism”. They have the largest sovereign oil fund except the Saudis. They’re managing it incredibly well. But it’s never the less a country that oil built.
Use Sweden or Denmark or Finland. But Norway is not a good example; anything would work in that country.
At least Norway’s oil benefits the nation. The US produces more oil than any other nation but it’s not something that feeds into benefiting the nation.
The US produces more oil than any other nation but it’s not something that feeds into benefiting the nation.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alaska-oil-wealth-payments-2022/
Nearly every single Alaskan got a financial windfall amounting to more than $3,000 Tuesday, the day the state began distributing payments from Alaska’s investment fund that has been seeded with money from the state’s oil riches.
The payments, officially called the Permanent Fund Dividend or the PFD locally, amounted to $2,622 — the highest amount ever. Alaska lawmakers added $662 as a one-time benefit to help residents with high energy costs.
That’s not to mention whatever the taxes on the extraction are used for, the economic activity generated by the extraction, and so forth.
do you just not understand what the point is/was or do you think just giving citizens some money or boosting the countries economy is the same thing as what was being said
I think that oil extraction in the US does benefit the nation, and I provided some examples why. Do you think that it doesn’t?
What in my comment implies that it doesn’t benefit the “nation”? But your answer seems to be that no, you don’t understand.
Basically we encompass everything as black/white socialism/capitalism
When pretty much every country (including the United States currently ) implements both.
And the problem is by demonizing socialism as the main economic structure, politicians basically succeeded in shaming people for any socialist policy they disagree with.
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what you re describing is communism. socialism is another thing
socialism emphasis on a fair (not necessarily equal) distribution of wealth among citizens. socialist programs and policies can exist alongside capitalism in a society, which is not true in a communist system.
I too love spreading misinformation on the internet.
Correct me if I’m wrong
The Difference Between Socialism, Communism, and Marxism Explained by a Marxist.
What you are referring above to as ‘socialism’ is really ‘social democracy’, which, despite the name, is still a branch of capitalism.
I see, I’ve had it wrong. Thanks
Good lord this community sucks
What about socialism for big banks?
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Yeah, that’s the joke.
Certified classic.
Be like sweden instead… haha
