JucheBot1988
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Beijing trembles

I think the word you’re looking for is “cringes.”

@holdengreen
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why are they trembling tho.

SpaceCowboy
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That’s the cool thing! They aren’t!

@HaSch
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It’s true, whenever she sings in the radio, china balkanises in all nearby cabinets

Catraism-Stalinism
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her singles were what killed mao (real)

@KommandoGZD
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Bruh what the fuck is this 😂😂😂😂

JucheBot1988
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Someone needs to do a write-up in this style about the Moranbong Band or the Korean People’s Army Merited State Chorus.

@Shrike502
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What the fuck indeed

@TheAnonymouseJoker
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You want to know? This is the cancerous soul of teenage magazines.

@absolutefuckinidiot
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Damn almost feel bad for her having to play a concert at the Spurs stadium

@GloriousDoubleK
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…The west is ruining flamboyancy.

Anyone else getting this weird art vs. Industrial vibe lately?

Ive been noticing a strange trend of things lately that are being depicted as at odds with each other and it’s… Very weird.

Like… Can we please accept that MAYBE people who work physically demanding jobs MIGHT actually enjoy flamboyancy off the clock?

I really hope I dont sound crazy. But so much stuff seems to be signalling a queer vs. hard work vibe and Im very much not down for that.

SpaceCowboy
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That is an extremely good way to put it. Not crazy at all. A very insightful way to frame it. (I think patsocs fit into this super well btw). It’s all increasingly binary.

And associating flamboyancy with being rich or lazy to satisfy the prejudice of the white nationalists (whether or not they realize that’s what they are).

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So here is what im noticing.

On so many fronts of this geopolitical cold war; queerness and social progressivism is being targeted as “the underpinning problem” of either the weakening of the western industrial base or the weapon of western imperialist aggression.

And you have people like Gaga and Zelensky who arent making anything any better for the LGBTQIA.

Either we are bourgoisie decadence; Lady Gaga being a perfect symbol of this, or we are degenerate amongst reactionaries as we complicate Christiandom and western civilization.

Both the patriotic socialist and the fascists have agreed that being progressive and or gay is the problem as to why the west fails.

And Gaga is being used her as a weapon of imperialist threatening. Again, one of the most flamboyant artists of the west. And shit like this gives PatSocs ammo to use hasty, sloppy politics to win over white men while the coastal reactionaries use us as representatives of western colonial violence.

It has been for so so long a running understanding that effimate men cant use tools or be constructive… That they are weak sissies. And that knob is being cranked up harder by the reactionary spectrum.

I could go on and on and probably write a hell of an essay about this parallel aesthetic war within this new cold war.

But all I can say right now is that being part of the LGBT folks; I dont remember any of us asking for this.

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Influencing sexuality among the proletariat has always been a prized possession of manipulation/propaganda of the bourgeoisie. There is nothing more personal than sexuality and so if you can control what people do in the privacy of their own homes, in their bedrooms where no one is watching then you have total control over their minds and how they perceive the world.

My mom always reminded me that the nobility has always been more on the queer side (louis XIV’s brother was an openly gay/flamboyant man for example) but the bourgeoisie will never give up this key point of contention in their goal of totally socially engineering our realities. Even the concept of what makes a man effeminate is intimately tied to class in my experience. I was raised on a fault line where my dad was total blue collar midwest and my mom was from pretty high society and the approach to gendered character traits was fascinating. Self-reflection, creativity, emotional intelligence and many other traits often gendered feminine in popular culture are actually treated as CENTRAL to being a well balanced man in the bourgeoisie. Like exhibiting anger among bourgeois men will make them see you as totally unbalanced where as my even keeled nature tends to be perceived as effeminate by my working class friends. By locking off half of the human spectrum of emotions/character traits in men and women you essentially create a perpetually out of balance worker… now maybe that is overstating the issue but that is my starting point concept. I find this stuff fascinating and I personally find LGBT people have the best takes on this topic so I like sharing my experience with y’all. I love getting pushback that forces me to reflect and reconsider my opinions.

Btw I feel crazy but patriotic is kind of a synonym for nationalist… so national socialists… fascism has always cloaked itself in the mantle of leftist rhetoric.

I could go on and on and probably write a hell of an essay about this parallel aesthetic war within this new cold war.

I think you should. Even if it just for yourself I find writing my thoughts down helps me come solidify my understanding of things and reach more inner peace about externally turbulent topics if that phrasing makes sense. I would love to read your reflections but that isn’t even necessary. Culture impacts reality tremendously.

@GloriousDoubleK
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I really just might.

All I can say is that I find it attention grabbing that Zelensky who before the war, had a very flamboyant and near western pop status in the Ukraine and the west made a big deal of one of his flamboyant performances… And now there is this push of CIA going woke and now “PatSocs” desperately being anti SJW because they’re anti CIA and yet fail to speak to that contradiction correctly…

It all seems very carefully deliberate.

The PROPER synthesis in this is to reject this mechanization and utilitization of gender and sexuality and for the LGBTQIA community to denounce western imperialism and colonialism; to take a principled stand with those directly fighting off western colonialism. WHY should any gay person support Russia or Iran or even China? Because they will build a multipolar world. The LGBTQIA movement has NEVER been improved with western bombs and violence. All it does is kill millions of queer folks outside the empire. We must refuse to be used as a weapon by the west. There is no pride in genocide.

@afellowkid
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I want to recommend some reading that may help you in your project if you choose to write on this, I will give links and excerpts.


Anti-Pinkwashing as Emerging Hope: Queering the Palestinian Liberation Movement in the Context of Institutionalised Neoliberalism by Sukrita Lahiri

The portrayal of Islam in a certain light is essential to the success of neoliberal practices in the region. In line with this, Israel’s official 2007 campaign, “Brand Israel,” saw millions of dollars spent for this propaganda. One of the central points is “pink-washing” where Israel portrays itself as a haven for homosexuals while deliberately glossing over its occupation of Palestine. […] This phenomenon of employing gay rights as political strategy, and in this case anchored in Islamophobia, is termed by theorist Jasbir Puar as “homonationalism.” Gender is clearly an organising principle of Israeli re-pression and what needs to be looked at is whether gender is also an organising principle of Palestinian resistance. The Palestinian queer movement is deeply em-bedded in anti-pinkwashing activism and differentiates itself from Western notions of queerness.

Historically speaking, settler colonialism has a long history of articulating its violence through the protection of certain figures such as women and children (Moghadam, 1994), and now homosexuals. Pinkwashing is just one more justification for imperial violence within this long tradition which works in part by tapping into the discursive and structural circuits produced by the West against the danger of “Islamic extremism.” In persistence of this imperial tradition, Gayatri Spivak’s (2010) well-known precept “white men saving brown women from brown men” (p. 57) gets modified with the trope of white homosexuals saving brown homosexuals from brown heterosexuals (Morris, 2010). Further, the neoliberal economic structure comfortably stretches itself to induce a compartmentalised sort of marketing of various ethnic and minoritised groups (Fraser, 2013). Thus it normalises the production of, for example, a gay and lesbian tourism industry built on the distinction between “gay-friendly” and homophobic destinations. The human rights groups voicing homosexual concerns continue to proliferate Western constructs of identity that privilege identity politics, “coming out”, increased visibility, and legislative measures as the dominant scales of social inclusion and progress.


Toward A Scientific Analysis of the Gay Question by the Los Angeles Research Group

The gay movement operated in the same context as […] other progressive struggles. Chief among the contradictions within the gay movement, as in other groups, was the predominance of petty-bourgeois elements. The communist forces in the gay movement were also small in number and still primitive, and got very little support for their work from other communists. Many gay communists saw anti-war work and the working class movement as more important; gay women communists saw the women’s movement as a higher priority than the gay movement. As a practical result, the gay movement was abandoned by communists to the leadership of the petty-bourgeoisie to where it is now dominated, on the one hand, by a few opportunists and reformists, […] who are bought off by government and foundation grants. […] The fact that anti-gay communists take the most conspicuous gay people for the whole points again to their one-sided, superficial and subjective approach.

Just as men, women, heterosexuals, gays and minorities cross all class lines, any organization of these groups will reflect one or another class line at any given historical period depending on the strength and development of the different class forces. Gays are not inherently revolutionary (as some gay groups would say), nor inherently reactionary (as some “communist” groups would say). The class nature of gay liberation will change only when it is given revolutionary working class leadership. Until then, like all other groups, bourgeois ideology will fill the political vacuum. Even the working class, left to itself, can only develop trade union consciousness, which in the last analysis is bourgeois. To expect the gay movement to be any different when left without proletarian leadership is pure idealism. Gay people, particularly working class gays, are perfectly capable of enthusiastically grasping the science of Marxism Leninism and of being disciplined revolutionary fighters. To make enemies of potential allies is to abandon the working class and its interests.


Might also want to look into the use of NGOs and how they are used to infiltrate and destabilize anti-imperialist countries, LGBT rights being one of the wedge issues they use for this, which is one of the reasons that in AES countries today there is strict control over NGOs (which gets portrayed in the west as institutional homophobia/transphobia). Pinkwashing wrt Palestine has a lot of writing on it as well, although pinkwashing can be found many other places as well. The quotes and sources listed above are in this ProleWiki article about LGBT issues in AES countries. Somewhere I also once saw an article about the history of the development of anti-LGBT laws in colonized countries, comparing differences by who they were colonized, what laws were instituted, what modern attitude toward LGBT arose from it, and relating it all to the original local culture and laws of each place (which may become re-interpreted by the locals themselves due to the colonization period). If you think that might help your writing project I will try to find it again.

I think it’s relevant just because LGBT people in the West are often shown examples of homo/transphobia in anti-imperialist countries that strikes fear into them or at least allows them to completely write off caring about those countries, I think the pinkwashing article explains this phenomenon well.

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Wow. Thank you. There isnt much more I could say on the subject that hasnt been said here other than the fact that it has become extremely obvious lately.

I dont keep up on theory like this as much as others. But perhaps it says something when a casual ML starts noticing deeper trends. As in; it seems like several forces are putting in more and more work on this subject as of late to the point that even for an amature ML thinker like myself are taking notice of the game at play here.

It is refreshing to see that im not crazy and that certain " communist" rhetoric started coming off as strangely suspicious to me when it comes to the queer question.

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  1. I thought you might get a kick out of this https://nitter.net/uncle_authority/status/1556063434344742912#m

  2. don’t undersell yourself as casual. I am casual as well and only found marxism relatively recently but I enjoy tying my lived experience/observations into what I have read. I think you could 100% do the same thing. There’s no secret recipe that makes someone hardcore vs casual. If you connect the right dots your subjective analysis will be excellent if your above comment is anything to go off of. I think one important thing is to let go of trying to seem reasonable. The way these sociopaths work is so outside the realm of what most people deem realistic or reasonable that you have to learn a whole new way of looking at what is probable and improbable. This movie by Robbie Martin does a decent job laying out how the neocons weaponized LGBTQ issues to socialize war with russia. I would love to read what you make of these kinds of things. Everyone’s subjective analysis is based of of years and years of lived experience as well as connecting dots from all over.

I would love to hear what you have to say after reading and digesting those essays in addition to collecting more data.

SpaceCowboy
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Not to be a reddit-brain but I would award this comment if I could. Please make a post about this.

@afellowkid
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Haha thanks. Perhaps in the future I will make a post about it if I do more research into it. Most of what I would say currently can be found in that ProleWiki article. But yes I will keep it in mind as something to write about if I gain more knowledge on the topic.

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We must refuse to be used as a weapon by the west. There is no pride in genocide.

Absolute 🔥🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

It all seems very carefully deliberate.

This is exactly the sort of thing the empire architects spend a lot of time on. They are fucking up the empire abroad and failing at their attempts to re-shore the industrial infrastructure but they know how to manipulate culture. This video where Michael Caine calls the British Aristocracy (the US architects are their inheritors) the “original geniuses of brainwashing” stuck with me because the ruling class really is engaged in a constant effort to socially engineer our society. And gender, sexuality, and the family dynamics are ENORMOUS levers in that fight.

@ComradeChairmanKGB
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Wasteful vapid trash? Ya I’m sure China is pissing and shidding in fear.

BTW nice Immortan Joe cosplay.

@i_must_destroy
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Beijing is scared of mediocre pop music masquerading as something more significant than it is?

SpaceCowboy
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Literally just “what new lie can we think up to send our liberal readers into conniptions and make them froth at the mouth.”

@i_must_destroy
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She seems really dumb…or at least very uninformed. This seems to be very common amongst USA celebs.

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So I actually think that this is deliberate to avoid having any more messy situations like Kurt Cobain, John Lennon etc where a star is actually talking positively about socialism. I think Katy perry is the quintessential example like not to be rude but a complete airhead. So to be signed by a hollywood agency (notoriously infiltrated by the mob - which was a tool of the FBI/CIA against immigrant labor) you have to either be from a rich family (class interests) or stupid/gullible. Seriously if you follow that simple formula almost everyone in hollywood fits it. especially the younger more mainstream people.

Edit: this ties in perfectly with teh Roger Waters interview on CNN. That interview is exactly the kind of situation they work so hard to avoid.

@i_must_destroy
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Do you have a link to that interview? I know a lot of people I respect speak positively of his views.

Other than that, Oliver Stone, Boots Riley, and Zack de la Roca are the only ones I can think of that know what they’re talking about. Granted, I stopped paying attention to pop stuff a while ago.

@JohnBrownEnjoyer
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Now that just makes me sad because I’m a communist who likes rock.

ANBOL GANG
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There’s nothing wrong with that. I just see this historical revisionism as a sad attempt by neoliberals to make their nonviolence look more powerful than it truly was.

JucheBot1988
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There’s a little bit of truth in what Wikipedia is saying. It’s just not the whole story. The arms race didn’t destroy the USSR; liberalism did, and the gradual influx of western pop culture that occurred after Stalin accompanied a slow influx of liberal ideology into top levels of the Communist Party. The people who supported Gorbachev’s reforms (so-called) came generally from highly-paid backgrounds; they had the money to buy western goods and consume western media, and they were convinced that America and western capitalism had outgrown their earlier exploitative ruthlessness. Reagan was a right-wing extremist and a proto-fascist, but he was an anomaly (so went the fantasy); very soon, if the USSR cooperated, the peace-loving Americans would elect another progressive president like Roosevelt. Not until the Soviet collapse and the literal and figurative raping of the country that took place during the 90s did these people realize how wrong they were; a whole lot of them never learned.

@Kirbywithwhip1987
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Sad, Queen is my favorite

No Más
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Kinda deserves a mention of Winds of Change, which I’m assuming is one of the many songs CIA funded with an explicit anti-USSR messaging and says a lot about “legends”, and even, dare I say, Monsters of Rock.

@mlcolo
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well…you just need something bigger than jesus to defeat thos “evil commies”. let it be

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