Muad'Dibber
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This comment outlines it really well, because it really had nothing originally to do anything economic originally: it was about Taiwan trying to extradite a guy who murdered his girlfriend then fled to HK. Then as that comment explains, the HK legislature added more extraditable crimes, including some financial ones, which made the capitalists in HK shit themselves, because they are almost always in violation of PRC law.

So its a simple case of the HK bourgeosie trying to defend their property, stirring up the locals to resist what they see as a possible threat to them via these extradition laws.

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I think that is a decent answer as to how it started and who benefited from it within Hong Kong itself. What I am looking for is what the US empire hoped to gain from it. The comment guesses that it is likely “in order to provoke the administration in Hong Kong to crack down on them, so that they can blame China and keep up their propaganda narrative that ‘CHINA BAD!’” And that was certainly a decent win but I think a propaganda win like that is pretty short lived…

I am just wondering if that was the only objective we can see here. The US literally shipped fascist stay-behind-style militia members from all over the world to protest in HK. (Specifically from the US and Ukraine). Were they also training an underground HK force? setting up a black market or other criminal organization? Smuggling drugs, the list goes on. Maybe it is as simple as “ok well lets send some of our nazis to make a mess and score some propaganda points and they can be leveraged by the property developers to secure a more favorable deal” but I was just wondering if someone here had any other insights.

In other words, what was in it for the empire beyond media coverage, if anything? Was there a fork in the road that would have significantly altered the outcome that the PRC narrowly avoided?

I should have been more precise with my post but I got a phone call right as I was posting it.

Muad'Dibber
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Just media coverage imo, which is part of the color-revolution textbook. Get ppl protesting, try to invite a police crackdown, find leaders like joshua wong to prop up… keep the fire going however you can for as long as you can, hoping you can get enough popular opinion against the government to overthrow it.

I’d say they accomplished their media anti-china goal of duping most ppl into thinking china cracked down viciously on the protestors. They failed in a long-term goal of getting the population of HK to turn against china or go against the status quo. (We can’t accuse imperialists of thinking long-term nowadays tho)

SpaceCowboy
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Okay good that is how I read it as well. The reason I ask is because like you point out, this was another failed color revolution!

I feel as if that is a neglected data point in the conversation. The US empire is trying to use the same old playback over and over and it is not really working anymore. Kazakhstan, Mali, HK, and now in russia it is just completely falling flat on its face. That makes me relatively hopeful with respect to Brazil and Colombia. Sri Lanka may or may not be a color revolution, too early for me to tell (I am not well informed enough but also the chips have not fallen yet).

I still hope someone can bring another piece of data. But for now, I agree with your read of the situation in HK.

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