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This question requires the baseline definition of a nation. If a nation is some land and all the people on it governed by the same laws, then yes, it’s a nation if it doesn’t matter to you that laws apply differently to different classes and races. I don’t actually know what you’re asking.

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If a nation is some land and all the people on it governed by the same laws, then yes, it’s a nation if it doesn’t matter to you that laws apply differently to different classes and races

That’s not a nation. That’s a State.

The USA rules over multiple nations who are completely alienated from their State - the indigineous and native populations and the black population.

Stalins seminal work on the National question is here, is quite short and in typical Stalin fashion explains an indepth and complicated topic in a short and readable piece

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm

To take his general conclusion though

A nation is a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life, and psychological make-up manifested in a common culture.

It goes without saying that a nation, like every historical phenomenon, is subject to the law of change, has its history, its beginning and end.

It must be emphasized that none of the above characteristics taken separately is sufficient to define a nation. More than that, it is sufficient for a single one of these characteristics to be lacking and the nation ceases to be a nation.

The popular question of Stalins day of course was Zionism and whether the Jews constituted themselves a nation. The Marxist conclusion is they do not constitute themselves a nation and they should be assimilated into their actual nation (how can Russian and French Jews even communicate with each other for eg?)

Depends.

I think we’re multiple nations within the US state.

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You mean the USA?

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I am not sure what to say. You have to keep in mind that the concept of nation states is a recent invention in human history. In my opinion, the concept of nation has been invented after the entrenchment of capitalism and the rise of bourgeois states after that. This opinion of mine is informed by Lenin’s State and Revolution and a liberal book called Imagined Communities by Benedict Anderson.

By that definition USA is definitely a nation. But as I said “nation” is a human-made concept. That is not to say that it isn’t influential. On the contrary, in our reality it is the ultimate truth. Make of that what you will.

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The Marxist orientation to the nation and States is explained quite lucidly here

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm

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No the US is a political State that contains multiple nations that have been crushed and subordinated to the White Nation

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