The Supreme court has abolished abortion for apparently no reason, and if that wasn’t shooting themselves in the foot enough, they want to go after gay marriage. I am not advocating that communists engage in a Game of Thrones style backstabbing of the masses to radicalize them towards communism, because that would go against established principles and class interests. However, an overtly tyrannical decision from the US government would be a gift to revolutionaries. Recruitment would be so much easier following a decision to ban gay marriage and even this abortion thing helps. And if you are living under a government that is hostile to your existence like many people of color already do, you basically have no reason not to become a revolutionary.

The shock that indoctrinated liberals will experience after these decisions will make them receptive to Marxism-Leninism. Once they understand this ideology and see it play itself out repeatedly over the course of history it will cause the masses to awaken and see the regime for what it really is. Now that fascists have overtaken the government, there is a vacuum of legitimacy for what kind of systems should be in place to be in charge of the country. The masses cannot stay quiet. Even if you spread propaganda online make sure to reach out to the masses. Your existence as a communist in America is an anomaly to the average person and is a form of propaganda.

The season of tyranny from the supreme court and the disillusionment with the puppet president create a season ripe for enlightenment of the masses. Continue to share Marxism Leninism with the people, and eventually the masses will band together to decide the fate of the United States.

  • @CountryBreakfast
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    82 years ago

    The shock that indoctrinated liberals will experience after these decisions will make them receptive to Marxism-Leninism.

    Do you know anyone that has made such a switch over abortion? You should interview them if you do. Iirc the US court didnt abolish abortion. Its just not seen as constitutional protected anymore meaning that it will likely go on as a state issue unless a federal law is somehow passed.

    Now that fascists have overtaken the government, there is a vacuum of legitimacy for what kind of systems should be in place to be in charge of the country.

    Fascists have not really taken over imo. Well not yet anyway. There has not even been a suspension of bourgeoisie democracy. Amerika’s colonial qualities are not unlike fascism tho. But either way, I think the question on what systems should be put in place is basically the same question it always has been, “what do we do with the colonized, do we fully exclude them, or do we heavily monitor them and accept the useful ones into our system?” With a second question being, “will we become as backwards as the colonies?”

    Both of these are very much First Worldist, racist, colonizer, bourgeoisie questions. Id say the abortion issue, and how “shocking” it is to a liberal, falls along the lines of question 2. These questions have white colonial nightmares of slave revolts, Native counter attacks, and decolonial revolutions baked into them too.

    To me this feels like the many different rhetorical approaches that amount to trying to trick people into becoming commumists, by assuming we understand someone’s interests better than they do, and by assuming a particular issue or item has potential to lead us towards revolution despite not addressing the inherently colonial and bourgeois discourse that drives US politics. IMO it is a bit disingenuous and actually projects our politics onto other people instead of analyzing what their interests are and how political struggle is developing in the US.

    I know liberals that are aware of all of the problems with the US. Like slave labor in prisons, racism, sexism, rising rent and house prices, perpetual wars, sham elections, exploiting other nations, homelessness, poverty, the MIC, the police etc. That didn’t stop them from joining the US military or working within the system to get theirs.

    Trying to trick liberals into becoming communists can backfire if you aren’t careful. Especially with issues that are perfectly capable of manifesting as an intra-bourgeoisie political conflict (which is what most political struggle in the US is) instead of something in solidarity with the global proletariat.

    People are not always liberal out of indoctrination or ignorance, but because it actually represents their interests. And frankly, people shove their liberal interests into marxist discourse all the time. Marxism has certainly even been canonized and co-opted by liberalism, something thatbis painfully obvious as I attend college. So trying to trick people into becoming communist doesn’t always make the proletarian cause stronger.

    If you want to use rhetoric to further the cause it might be more fruitful to directly challenge the basis for political development in the US, which is inherently colonial, instead of trying to twist it into something that could accidentally become communist. Attack the colonial foundation. I assume maybe abortion has some kind of place in this, but not to the extent that abortion is able to bait people into entirely different discourses.

    Sorry for the wall of text… I just had to comment

    • Charming OwlOPM
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      52 years ago

      You’re right and some people will always be class enemies, but now there is a new generation of people who do not benefit from capitalism and are drowning in student loans. That may sound trivial but as long as the workers are not comfortable or privileged enough to be complicit in liberalism, they will be receptive to Marxist theory.

      Another thing is that bourgeois class enemies require workers to sustain themselves, and a class enemy who is a worker is betraying his own interests. Even if the white liberals want to sustain the shitty system the working class can still create the destruction of all the other classes.

    • @redtea
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      52 years ago

      The original post and the comment are helpful for thinking through these issues. Thanks, both.

      I’ve noticed that liberals are all ears until they learn that liberating oppressed people’s means losing some privileges.

      Do you think the answer is a strong vanguard, which follows a revolutionary line with strict discipline? Receptive liberals can join in and lend support, but are not invited to guide policy? Would this help to avoid the liberals from co-opting the movement?

      Aside: Have you read anything or watched anything by Gabriel Rockhill. He’s new to me, but he seems to give a material analysis of academia. Might be of interest to you.

      • @holdengreen
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        32 years ago

        I hate liberals. That’s why they are known to side with fascists at the end of the day right. It’s so obvious they are grifters which is why they will never seriously challenge capitalism.

    • @holdengreen
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      42 years ago

      I think having to go to college in USA would make me implode. Last time I was there I broke down.

    • @pgtl_10
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      32 years ago

      The court didn’t abolish abortion but they took the wall protecting it down.