• ☭CommieWolf☆
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    252 years ago

    They go through so much effort to make the Russians look like Nazis, meanwhile actual Nazis in Ukraine who are so fucking obvious that they wear clearly visible patches, tattoos, flags etc. are somehow invisible to them.

    • JucheBot1988OP
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      92 years ago

      Sometimes I get the sinking feeling that the next five-ten years are going to be people with swastika badges yelling at people without swastika badges and calling them Nazis.

      • @GloriousDoubleK
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        12 years ago

        No. But they WILL call their opponents fascist unironically.

    • @PolandIsAStateOfMind
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      Selected from today polish news around Ukraine:

      1. Square in Gdańsk renamed “Heroic Mariupol Square”, the one right beside russian consulate. And while i greatly appreciate heroic fight of russian soldiers against the ukronazis, i have the feeling it’s opposite in intent and the Gdańsk administration is taking the side of nazis here (it’s /s naturally, since it’s obvious). Not the first time even, it’s a tradition to always suck germanic boot in this forsaken city.

      Even worse, it’s also right beside cementery of the Soviet soldiers whose heroism in the hard battle of Gdańsk is slandered every single fucking time by the polish government.

      1. In the meantime, ukrainian ambassador in Germany, Andrij Melnyk, in the interview with press, whitewashed Bandera from his massacres and pogroms, said he’s ok with him, and blamed the Volhynia Massacre on Poles, absolving Bandera.

      This make tons of Poles collectively furious (for context, even when some 3’rd rate media in western Europe mentions the pogroms of Jews, our ministry goes ballistic immediately), but our foreign ministry tried to hush the case. Finally, ukrainian ministry expelled grotesque message that Melnyk was “not expressing the official line”, polish mistry felt “satissfied” (after all, everyone know the ambassadors function are to express their personal opinions, right?). Media are in full damage control now.

      It’s fun to read about it, Poland is literally risking WW3 and is fucking all of us here in what look like beginning of the biggest crisis since early 90’s just for the Ukraine, which can’t even stop being nazi for a second. I know all of this is bullshit, but it’s very damaging for the lib worldview being peddled currently. Unfortunately libs have no memory at all and i’m sure we will heard a lot of some invented russian “atrocities” in the coming week.

      • @Anatolianin
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        2 years ago

        after all, everyone know the ambassadors function are to express their personal opinions, right?

            🇷🇺 🤝 🇵🇱
        

        Idiotic ambassadors

        • @PolandIsAStateOfMind
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          As usual, i must mention that polish foreign service have two faces:

          1. Professional diplomatic service which is quite good - notice how Poland despite being batshit insane country with protofash government still have pretty good relations with almost every country (including China and even DPRK!) - it’s their doing.

          2. Foreign ministry, which is always the closet for the most useless party lackeys and various sycophants. Everything they touch turn into massive failure. Fortunately, they are allergic to work. Unfortunately, they always surface in the cases such as Ukraine war.

    • @Shrike502
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      42 years ago

      They go through so much effort to make the Russians look like Nazis

      Well it seems to be working. I’ve already seen people flip out about the Russian flag as if it’s the Nazi banner, and compare the photo of a Russian soldier (seemingly) jokingly doing a Z gesture with a “Sieg heil”. Without even a hint of irony.

  • @Anatolianin
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    242 years ago

    Mmm, using term made by terrorist Dudayev. Very cool, Wikipedia, very cool.

    Also, if Russia is now an ultranationalist nation, why aren’t national minorities, including me, in camps or something like that? Why did they start teaching children their native language at school a year ago for the first time after the collapse of the USSR? Shouldn’t we be assimilated or killed?

    • @GloriousDoubleK
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      102 years ago

      Yo… That’s kinda cool. 🤔 Are you in Russia?

      Why is it that when I hear something that Russia does that is cool, it sounds like either socialist runoff from the past Or Something socialistic just without a hammer and sickle stamp?

      • @Anatolianin
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        162 years ago

        Yeah, Ural region.

        I honestly can’t tell. Maybe because today Russia is a some kind of weird mix of ideologies.

        • @GloriousDoubleK
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          112 years ago

          You know; I kinda just suspect that a previously socialist country would likely develop certain administrative or governmental habits regardless of the reforms. Yall still have a generation or two who remembers the USSR and lived it.

          Some things just work. Socialist or not. 🤷

    • @Shrike502
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      32 years ago

      why aren’t national minorities, including me, in camps or something like that

      Don’t rush, that’s for the next president

      • @Anatolianin
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        22 years ago

        Будет забавно читать потом как оказывается меня гноят в сибирских лагерях по нац признаку.

        • @Shrike502
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          22 years ago

          Смотря где читать. Наши доморощенные либералы нынче даже писать нормально не умеют. А западные напишут “в ГУЛАГе” вместо Сибири, чтобы страшнее звучало

      • @Rafael_Luisi
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        92 years ago

        This sound like a german trying to say the latin pronounciation.

    • MexicanCCPBot
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      162 years ago

      I now get why professors always tell you NOT to use Wikipedia as a source

      • @PolandIsAStateOfMind
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        62 years ago

        It can be good, depending on topic, even history, providing it’s not politically “controversial” history. Communism and leftism in general starting from French Revolution is right off the bat, it probably contains more lies than entire rest of the wiki combined.

    • @Anatolianin
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      The cult of nationality is when you have autonomous subjects for people of small nations who could elect their own president, have their own Constitution, study their native language, conduct business in their native language, have history textbooks that may differ from the state ones and etc.

      You know, things that Free And Democratic™ Ukraine denied for Donbass.

      • @SaddamHussein24
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        I see. And how is that a bad thing and compatible with “ultranationalism” as the Wikipedia article says? It doesnt make any sense xD (the wikipedia article, not you)

        • @Anatolianin
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          72 years ago

          I dunno!

          I mean, just look at Chechens. Despite the fact that between them and us there were two brutal wars with war crimes from both sides, now they willingly going in Ukraine en mass fighting alongside with Russian soldiers. That’s clearly the example of Russian ultranationalism or something.

            • JucheBot1988OP
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              42 years ago

              Bold of you to assume they have a brain in the first place

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      Truly a level of idiocy not generally seen outside of US presidential debates

  • @redtea
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    72 years ago

    Can someone tell me about the Chechen war, please?

    This came up in a conversation IRL when I brought up US / British crimes as a reason not to be so sure that Russia was the worst state ever.

    • @SaddamHussein24
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      There were 2 wars in Chechnya. Chechnya as an official entity didnt exist in the USSR, it was part of the Checheno Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic (ASSR), which was part of the Russian Republic of the USSR. In this ASSR both chechen and ingush language were official languages and protected by state law, along with russian, so there is 0 argument for any “oppression”. Now fast forward to perestroika and the collapse of soviet socialism, nationalism, chauvinism and separatism are growing, both because of the economic crisis and because of US funding of separatist groups.

      The Checheno Ingush ASSR was no exception. There, separatism and radical islamism, inspired by Osama Bin Laden and the mujahideen in Afghanistan, grew massively. However, while the chechens favoured more separatism, the ingush preferred staying in USSR/Russia. Thus, when the USSR dissolved in 1991, the Checheno Ingush ASSR, led by chechens, declared independence. The ingush, who were a minority, disagreed and split from it, rejoining Russia. Thus, the Checheno Ingush ASSR split in 2 republics, Ingush and Chechen Republic, creating modern day Chechnya.

      While the new neoliberal russian government led by Boris Yeltsin was opposed to Chechnya and other ASSRs seceding, he couldnt do much, Russia was in chaos and he had too many insurgencies to fight. So he ignored Chechnya, which became de facto independent, proclaiming the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria. This government was originally led by secular proUS liberals. However, as the economic situation deteriorated, US money and weapons continued pouring in and Chechnya collapsed into chaos, international jihadism, based in Afghanistan under the mujahideen/taliban regime at the time, began to notice, and started pouring in.

      Suddenly, Chechnya was the hip place to be for international jihadist terrorism, Osama Bin Laden himself visited very often. Thus, the situation escalated. Al Qaeda and similar groups set up shop in Chechnya, which began to be ruled by warlords. Civil wars between warlords erupted, and the liberal government lost control to the jihadist warlords. These warlords also began ethnically cleansing nonmuslims and imposing sharia law. This also spilled over into other neighbouring regions, such as Ingushetia or Dagestan. As 1994 began and Yeltsins government was more stable, he had to stop this.

      So he issued an ultimatum to Chechnya to surrender to Russia, and after they refused launched an all out assault. This was the First Chechen War. He took Chechnya very quickly, but was then faced with constant guerilla warfare by jihadists. Now did Yeltsin commit atrocities? Possibly, you know we dont love Yeltsin over here, but between Yeltsin and literal Al Qaeda nutbags, its clear Yeltsin was better, he didnt literally genocide other ethnicities you know. In the end Yeltsin sent thousands of young conscripts to die in Chechnya, since the russian military was weak and disorganized at the time, which proved very unpopular.

      So in 1996 he was forced to sign a peace treaty recognizing Chechnyas independence and withdrawing all forces, ending the First Chechen War. Chechnya collapsed into total anarchy, becoming a warlord feudal society ruled by Al Qaeda. The few nonmuslims who remained were either expelled or murdered. This peace lasted until 1999, when Al Qaeda militants in Chechnya, out of the blue, decided to invade the neighbouring russian region of Dagestan, to spread their jihadism there too, starting the Second Chechen War. The militants also carried out several brutal bombings and kidnappings of civilians in Russia.

      At the time, Vladimir Putin had just become President of Russia under the promise of fixing the mess in Chechnya after the bombings and the invasion of Dagestan. So he again went into Chechnya, taking it very quickly, and restoring the central government by allying with Akhmat Kadyrov and his son Ramzan (current President of Chechnya), 2 chechen warlords who were less radical and decided to switch sides. The jihadist insurgency still continued for many years, killing thousands of civilians.

      However, through economic development, Chechnya is now safer than ever, with little to no terrorism there. All of this is thanks to Vladimir Putin. Anyone who says that the russians were the bad guys here is delusional.