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“I consider myself an anarchist before this, though I didn’t understandy it fully (I still don’t honestly)”

The poster doesn’t even know his own ideology. Of course he would be unable to grasp ML in any meaningful way. He went to GenZedong, saw memes (literally jokes) and went back to his default anarcracker state of mind.

@ledward
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Well to be fair, anarchism is pretty incomprehensible in many ways haha. How do they plan to transition to an anarchist society, how will they run it, etc. I don’t think any of them have a solid answer.

@redshiftedbrazilian
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So much bullshit.

Right after the Russian invasion on Ukraine some Putin supporters started hanging out at the sub and many had shitty takes but none comes even close to what this dude is saying. Someone mentioned that they might have found a nazbol sub or something but its so fucking weird that this person only mentioned r/genzedong. If they found all this nonsense somewhere else they would have probably cited it along with our sub, but they didn’t.

Also the trigger warning about suicide(?) coupled with the blatant lies make this feels like a low effort post to gain internet points by saying “Tankies bad”. Either this or it’s straight up only diffamation

@201dberg
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Least porn addicted anarchist.

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Yeah I loved the reddit anarchist community when I was still learning /s

I especially loved all the fragile white dickheads who when asked by a BAME comrade to check their whiteness relating to a post about racism that got down voted, they all went full mask off crying “calling white people crackers is the same thing as saying the gamer word!!” and other infantile bs.

Conversely one thing I noticed initially when I first jointed gzd back in the day was the zero tolerance policy they had on any form of bigotry which contrasted the fragile white bs and western chauvinism of the anarchist sub.

I remember nazbols getting banned immediately and despite a general consensus against organised religion, the discourse regarding personal beliefs/religion was very civil if not supportive with perspective.

It was the safest place on reddit to be myself as even in the main lgbt subs there had undercurrents of biphobia and gaytekeeping amongst other things. Granted it wasn’t exactly systemic but I found it ironic a commie shitposting sub was more welcoming and supportive than reddits main lgbt subs.

@Idliketothinkimsmart
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I would, simply of course, not be so racist

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the discourse regarding personal beliefs/religion was very civil if not supportive with perspective.

If you’re religious, maybe. Atheism was usually immediately dogpiled and always equalled to fedora libs. And oh boy you clearly never tried to talk about dialictical materialism as core of marxism.

Ratto
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I am not, maybe I just saw a narrow view then in the last 6 months of the sub.

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How is putting the party and the needs of the people above your own life fascist? Seems pretty human to me.

“I will conquer this oilfield, even if I live twenty years less because of it.”

@CITRUS
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I can’t tell if they are narcissistic or self conscious, or maybe just are too selfish to help people.

@roccopun
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Fascism/authoritarianism is whenever my needs and wants has to make the slightest of way for the trillions of other lifeforms on this planet. Leftism is when I am allowed, I mean humanity is allowed (but mostly me me me come first of course) to indulge and on whatever I want with zero consequence and consideration as if you are the god king of this world.

@lil_tank
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Big reason I left the anarchists/demsoc and went to the ML side of Reddit was for its abrasiveness and fun. Reading this post reminded me that. This poor dude just can’t handle something slightly uncomfortable about himself, and preferred going back to this big echoing mental gymnasium where instead of looking at the world, people are constantly trying to reinterpret it to justify their desires and preconceptions.

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Any true ML is not homophobic or racist, or the other things (besides the natalism I guess…and also porn really should be banned). I’m guessing r/genzedong just has had some bad characters that thankfully aren’t on here from what it seems.

And justifying genocide…what?? Which one are they talking about?

JucheBot1988
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One of the things that made r/genzedong so much fun was the sheer amount of reverse circlejerking, and knowing that the rest of reddit was seething at our existence. So there was a real tendency to dogpile on anything that average redditors tend to go ga-ga over – Japan, for instance. It didn’t go overboard too many times, and the mods usually caught it when it did. But I can see how some weeb-brained liberal might have interpreted it as racism.

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With Japan he have a point unfortunately, it was routinely going overboard, contrary to things like “gamercide” which was indeed like you say i always had the feel this one is much more serious. Though truly wicked shit like “nuke them more” was usually modhammered.

Porn issue is serious and always well argumented, it is obvious the guy from OP is just a lib that just skimmed ovr few comments.

@giffybiss
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I would like to learn more about the porn issue.

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I’m not really an expert on the issue, the porn industry is incredibly exploitative plus it’s basically rape in most cases. r/GenZedong had many threads about it and in many of them someone did write about it.

Now that i think of it, r/GenZedong had many, MANY threads about porn and sex, and they were usually among the most active. Damn they are horny as hell.

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Now that I think back on it, you’re right, there were a lot of over-the-top comments regarding Japan, and sort of a general attitude that every Japanese person is a fascist until proven otherwise. I seem to remember one thread in particular (the mods shut it down, thankfully) where people were referring to the atomic bombings of Japan as “trash taking out the trash.”

@ledward
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Ah ok. I only discovered r/genzedong like a few days before it got quarantined, so I’m not familiar with the history.

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And justifying genocide…what?? Which one are they talking about?

Uyghurs probably

@ledward
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That’s what I’m guessing. If developing the region and having the populace go to schools is genocide to them, then that’s their perogative.

@CITRUS
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They say crazy things like “The sex trade is wrong and exploitative” and “porn is addicting and fucks over everyone involved (except the producers)”

Also why the trigger warning for suicide, did they even mention suicide or am I skipping a sentence?

JucheBot1988
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I think this dude must have gotten hit with the volcel police bot.

@satrap
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that’s definitely it lmao

@CITRUS
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Wait is that like the opposite of Intel?

@ledward
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Yes, “voluntary celibate”.

@CITRUS
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I know that means you just have sex like a normie, but them hating “voluntary” makes it sound like they hate consent (which probably isn’t too far of stretch for them)

@ledward
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Good point.

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God forbid someone criticize muh porn or muh videogames. People like this refuse to acknowledge and face the facts that some things they like aren’t 100% perfect.

@CITRUS
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Also who watches porn and then feels good about themselves? It’s really see to sad how a whole generation is systemically addicted to porn (and video games but that is nowhere near as important).

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I have never seen 90% of this stuff in all my time spent in ML spaces, what little I have is from nazbols who get downvoted into oblivion. Also where tf is the suicide even 😤

@meticulousPotato
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oh no please don’t take my videogames and porn away

he didn’t even mentioned dialectics, as if getting into a piano convention made you a pianist

that last part makes me think that they found some nazbol or something

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Single issue voter for porn and video games.

@TeezyZeezy
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What is wrong with video games? Is it just the inherent propaganda often weaved in, or is there a deeper problem? I’ve just never heard that.

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Also most gamer communities are incredibly misogynist and toxic, and full of some awful people. Watch the “what its like to game as a woman” series to see what an average gamer is like.

And yes you’re also right that certain game franchises like call of duty receive more US military funding than movies.

Besides those legit criticisms, there’s nothing wrong with gaming, its a legitimate art form, and tons of great games are out there. If that’s what floats your boat, enjoy. I personally don’t have time to play them, too busy with organizing, working, and reading.

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And games and gaming systems (at least from what it seems) take a crazy amount of resources to manufacture/produce. It’s part of the reason why I haven’t gotten any new systems from this generation or the previous one, I just can’t consciously do it knowing that the third world was exploited in order to make them.

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It’s crazy how rotten game industry is. Like exploitation and misogyny are part of almost every game developer day, even in “developed” countries. The most recent big thing was theBlizzard scandal and oh boy that place is full of * like; groping or harras his female co-workers. Full of * are Gamers boys

@holdengreen
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I think they are a great art form, past time and technical exercise. But the communities around gaming can be very toxic sadly. Why gamers are notorious for it.

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To your last point I personally think that the subreddit has way more questionable characters hanging around than this site. I find really objectionable takes being upvoted on there that would be downvoted on here. Plus there is a certain group on there that has a sort of aggressiveness in how they engage with other commenters.

Was that the case before the quarantine? I rarely saw anything objectionable being upvoted, but I haven’t looked since March

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It was normally on the fringes in the comments, not actually posts. Much of it was a kind of dogmatic social chauvinism that I would see in comments that were otherwise 75% accurate.

Edit: but also definitely some more agressive commenting. I like how on here everyone knows we’re discussing in good faith so it is pretty rare to get aggressive responses.

That makes sense. I’ve seen some aggressive conversations here, too, but it’s definitely not common. Almost all bad-faith comments I’ve seen are from anti-communists on lemmy.ml

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that last part makes me think that they found some nazbol or something

There is literally one guy exactly like that out there. I don’t think he’s nazbol though but sitting in the worst depths of hoxhaism.

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worst depths of hoxhaism

Speaking as someone whose political journey began there, I can confirm that internet Hoxhaism is really something else.

@Idliketothinkimsmart
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No one could find a single comment alleging those things. Literally not one that isn’t downvoted into oblivion or outright removed.

@Bobbycostner
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“it’s just bread and circuses” Could someone explain this please. I don’t speak Anarchist.

@cold4nervous
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Bread and circus is a expression associated with the use of entertainment; originated in Ancient Rome. He is right with the use of the expression that have be used multiple times by governments when things are getting worse and need to distract the people. (read this two small “articles” for better understanding 1 and 2

He’s clearly in denial since porn and video games are both addictive and political. Anarchilds…

@LeninsCat
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panem et circenses is a latin expression that literally means “bread and circus” to indicate that to make the population happy and stop any kind of riot you just need to give them food and entertainment.

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Ok thanks.

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I feel like this person either stumbled into an ultra or Nazbol sub like r/EuropeanSocialists, because none of the shit except opposing porn and prostitution is stuff we believe.

@housefinch
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Right, had to have been r/Europeansocialists or affiliated nazbol to neocon pipeline subs.

@SaddamHussein24
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I think the post got deleted. Cant find it on Reddit

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