I’m curious what the Lemmygrad community thinks about upcoming unrest in the US.

With civil unrest growing as more people realize that the foundation of the American state is built on the skeletons of minorities and is satiated with the blood of the ‘unworthy’, which came to a head last summer with protesting. And with future summers becoming hotter, and hotter, to the point that survival in parts of the US will become nye impossible, it’s sure that the United States will become more hellish than it already is.

What do y’all think the outcomes of this might be?

What do y’all think unrest in the US would look like?

What timeline do you think is most realistic?

Are you prepared for unrest? What are your plans?

  • T34 [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Looking at it as US unrest is too narrow. I think the 21st century will be defined by mass migrations of workers from the Global South. This will be caused by the white supremacist imperialism of the US and allies (Western Europe and its white settler states) and, especially later this century, by the climate crisis. The total population of migrant people could be in the hundreds of millions or more.

    One possibility is that this basically ends countries. Not just some countries, but the very idea of countries, from the point of view of billions at the bottom. The governments of their home countries will be too starved by bourgeois-imposed austerity to protect them from famine and gang violence. Other countries will fear them as dangerous and destabilizing. So wherever they go, they will be forced to live outside the protection of the law. They will be the first class in the world that truly has nothing to lose, not even a country.

    The migrant proletarians will be fully networked. They will have to be, because they could be deported or forced to flee at any time. Their networks of family and close friends will stretch across continents by necessity. They will be the first truly global proletariat.

    When it finally rises and becomes aware of its power, the global proletariat will be the only class capable of taking on the global bourgeoisie. It will be able to organize strikes spanning an entire continent, covering all stages in production from mining to manufacturing to programming. Since its members will only see laws and political borders as weapons to use against it, the proletariat will make a mockery of bourgeois countries and reach decisions in its collective interest.

    My hope is that existing socialist nations, especially China, can help guide this proletariat. The reason I think so is that so far the world has given us two different models of industrialization: imperialistic conquest led by Western Europe and its white settler states, and state-directed domestic development by the USSR and China. The second of these will be the proletariat’s only option in a world with decreasing livable area. But I admit, I’ve grown up in a fog of Sinophobic first-world propaganda, so I don’t know enough about China to say something more definite.

  • @folahtM
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    I don’t think climate change is going to be that much of an impact.

    The really big problems are:

    1. the lack of oil the US has in comparison to what it had in the past and how much the US wants to hold on to almost all of the rest of the world and even tries to expand itself to control all of it.
      The fossil fuel age is coming to an end.
      The corona virus is causing China’s rise to accelerate even faster than it already was and almost half the world is still not coming to terms that China is a superpower and that you can’t just negotiate exclusively with your own terms, something the Hong Kong rioters tried to do with their attempt to self-colonize their city for the US, because according to the rioters, an axe murderer should either be condemned on their terms or not be condemned at all and if the axe murderer murdered someone in China, it means he should walk free.
      The corona virus is also causing the US decline to accelerate and both these things, China’s rise and US decline was already 7 years overdue.

    2. The energy transition in which the US all of a sudden has to play on a far more level field in energy terms in which China is leading in.

    3. Overconfidence. During the last collapse, the US had a president that was a social democrat and was able to convince his country to save itself from disaster through introducing social programs to ward off a communist revolution. There is no such fear of that in the US at all.

    4. It’s two-party system. It only shows to be a huge problem now that it’s plundering of native american land for coal and oil is no longer making them the richest nation on earth.

    “What do y’all think the outcomes of this might be?”

    Re-election where both sides cheat even worse than 2020, Democrats via even stricter censorship and Republicans with even more ballot frauds or a coup by the Republicans, so more of the same, only this time it spirals out of control completely turning into Civil war and almost a world war as there will be attempts to bring this world wide. However, it’s going to be a quick collapse for the Republicans because there are not that many nations that would majority support the Republican party.

    “What do y’all think unrest in the US would look like?”

    Republicans win the election during hyperinflation, with or without cheating.
    They are not going to solve the hyperinflation, because the only Republican wanting to solve that issue was Trump before he got elected. And since he did diddly squat last time, he sure isn’t going to do anything about next time.
    Massive riots ensue and the Republicans give even more carte blanche to it’s police and militia to kill people.
    Next, you’ll have a Rittenhouse x20 event, a massacre occurs during another riot were more than 10 people die.
    From then on riots become battles and battles becomes war.

    “What timeline do you think is most realistic?”

    Before 2026 and after this year the civil war starts. Pro and anti-DeSantis or Trump riots across the EU, Australia, Canada and the UK will happen only weeks to months later.

    “Are you prepared for unrest? What are your plans?”

    Sit back and relax. Convince friends and family not to join either side. Especially the Republican one. That’s the one that will lose.