The hypocrisy of capitalism

Famine happens user captitalism Capitalists: It happens.

Famine happens under communism Capitalists: EEEEEE IT MUST BE THOSE DANG COMMIES!!!1111

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wut?

@Zerush@lemmy.ml
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Capitalism: system for the FAIR exchange of goods and services

But it has become the so-called Neo-Liberalism, which is a pyramid scam as is… Hypocrisy is calling it capitalism.

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Profit only exists because there is exploitation. Workers are paid less than they produce, and the surplus is taken by the capitalist on virtue of owning the company. This is a mathematical observation and I don’t know anyone who has been able to debunk it.

Therefore capitalism cannot be the fair exchange of goods and services.

@Zerush@lemmy.ml
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It is not entirely correct, profit does not exist only for the exploitation of workers, the best example is cooperatives- Although it is not directly related to the subject in a direct way, it is one of the reasons why I have decided on the browser that I use for several years, Vivaldi, because it is a cooperative, owned by its workers and it is successful, without exploiting anyone . The current communism has nothing against capital and neither that there are people who get rich, but against the way to get it, to do it based on a product or service that creates stable and well-paid jobs is not the same as get rich from slave labor in the third world. You can define this as follows Capitalism in itself is not negative at all, but it is when the greed and unscrupulousness of certain characters and politicians is added, it is then the cause of the problems we suffer today and that turns capitalism into a scam, to which It is named with the euphemisms’ Free market and Neo-liberalisms, which in reality is a feudal system and the population simple merchandise that bleeds itself in the benefits of a few. The pigs that walked on two legs and that were more equal than the other animals, as Orwell called it. Capitalism is only a good system, when sovereignty is returned to the people, ensured in the constitution but ignored by politicians.

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Co-ops, even worker-owned, still operate in a capitalist system and therefore are fully integrate into it. They affect capitalism and capitalism affects them. More precisely for the topic here, coops make money because profit exists somewhere else, in other businesses. Capital reproduces itself, Marx talks about this in Value Price and Profit in ways I am not able to lol. In effect coops reproduce capital and capitalism, because they also depend on private capital to survive (in a capitalist economy).

Capitalism in itself is not negative at all

Capitalism has underlying contradictions that it cannot resolve. Climate change is just one of them that took off recently, but any marxist analysis of capitalism could have predicted that the climate would get worse under capitalism, even before we started noticing its effect. On the one hand you have a system predicated on infinite growth year after year, on the other you have a single planet with finite resources. At some point it’s gotta collapse.

This is just one of the big contradictions of capitalism (contradictions being two diametrically opposed things that could not exist without one another).

One other big thing we see with capitalism is that Marx was right about the tendency for the rate of profit to fall. This graph is repeated throughout all late-stage capitalist societies:

Rate of profit falls because we are more and more productive through innovations, most technological. Therefore it costs less time (not money, not yet) to produce the same thing. Because profit can only come from human labour, with time the same amount of labour produces more things. But the capitalist still had to invest in the machines. Thus the ratio of profit to investment dwindles (which is the rate of investment), and less profit is made overall. What happens in a capitalist system when the line reaches 0? When there is no more profit to be made, because we produce stuff instantly and with minimal effort? This is our dream, but it is the nightmare of capitalists.

That’s why we need socialism. Capitalism is unsustainable and has reached its peak. Sure it was great to grow productive forces, and it’s the best system so far (edit: before we had socialism, because the USSR, China and Cuba enriched people much faster than capitalism did) that enriched people (compared to primitive society or feudalism). But now it’s past its prime, it did what it had to do. And just like slavery and feudalism, it has to be replaced by something better.

@Zerush@lemmy.ml
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Do not misunderstand me, I would salute a better communist/socialist system today than tomorrow, but this is heavenly music today, impossible to carry out in a globalized world. As much as you reject it, it is not possible to live in a communist system, while it is not globalized. What we must fight against is this minority that hoards 90% of the goods of this world and decides on our destiny and usefulness. Communism is an evolutionary process to reach it, all who tried it prematurely independent of other countries have failed miserably, leading the population to misery, because all these systems were corrupted by neo-liberalism. That is why we have to start with the fundamentals and one of them is to return sovereignty to the people and in today’s world to return to the principles of capitalism, cooperatives are a step towards tackling monopolies. It’s a nice illusion of living without capitalism, but look around and reflect on how much of these things around you, you had without capitalism, we probably couldn’t even discuss it now from different places on the globe. There is no need to mention Marx and the fall in profits, since this is the result of the aforementioned market policy, which is always a bubble that ends up bursting at regular intervals, often ending in a war. But profits do not fall, those who earn a golden nose are the ones who caused this bubble, the consequences are paid by the people not these. This has been the case throughout history, because we always have the same two-legged pigs as the ones in charge.

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‘Do not misunderstand me, I would salute a better communist/socialist system today than tomorrow, but this is heavenly music today, impossible to carry out in a globalized world.’

You make no sense with these posts. ‘Today than tomorrow’? What is that supposed to mean?

‘As much as you reject it, it is not possible to live in a communist system, while it is not globalized.’

Strawman. When did he ever say this? You do realize Karl Marx addressed this in his books with a path to Communism?

‘But profits do not fall’

He literally just demonstrated profits falling to be the case. I’m not sure what you’re getting at.

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In short, one thing is to support and desire socialism and another is to achieve it. Although I support these ideals, on the front line I am realistic. We must start with ourselves and adapt our social behavior and our consumer habits, only then can we change something in this sick system. You cannot make an apology for communism, surrounded by articles that base their origin on plunder and exploitation. Saying and wishing is one thing, acting accordingly is another. This is much more complex than wearing Che on a T-shirt, made in Taiwan, and all political ideologies in today’s globalized and multi-layered world require a review and update so that it can really work. Neither of these alone cannot work, as has been shown many times in history, even in recent history when he was running as a young man, with policemen behind, in demonstrations in the 1960s.

@Josh_Drake
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‘In short, one thing is to support and desire socialism and another is to achieve it.’ And why would you randomly bring this up in a comment section which clearly does not require such? You’re picking at a scab that doesn’t exist to borrow a phrase from this website.

‘Although I support these ideals, on the front line I am realistic.’ Oh no, another nihilist talking point. ‘I’m realistic’ has to be the ‘I want the whole world to die’ of argumentation. Being realistic doesn’t mean you can’t shoot for the stars in this world. I am suspecting you are some sort of ‘Communist’ saboteur at this point.

The rest of what you say has either nothing to do with anything or sounds like you’re talking down to all of us like we’re 8 years old. We get it. It’s a globalized world. It didn’t stop China from continuing to be a market socialist state.

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@leanleft@lemmy.ml
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i think capitalism is primitive. realistic but not idealistic.

The Free Penguin
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Okay, so you got one thing wrong. Capitalism = private ownership of the means of production

@NothingButBits
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If it’s such a FAIR exchange, why has India received barely any vaccines when they are one of the world leaders in vaccine production? Doesn’t seem very fair to me.

@Zerush@lemmy.ml
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one thing is what capitalism should be and quite another of what we call it that, adding the amount of the population. 1,3 billon, and a nefarious infrastructure and organization.

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