HOLY CHRIST, I WAS ABSOLUTELY WRONG. A TON OF THESE PHOTOS ARE MOST CERTAINLY DEFINITIVELY AI GENERATED:

Credit to u/tutush from reddit gzd!:

This jacket is also illegal:

https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/wp-content/uploads/dt_imgs/20180123165206389_653121198805.jpg https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/wp-content/uploads/dt_imgs/20180122190353497_653121198904.jpg https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/wp-content/uploads/dt_imgs/20180123161307313_653121199708.jpg https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/wp-content/uploads/dt_imgs/20180123122525109_653121199704.jpg https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/wp-content/uploads/dt_imgs/20180123210213616_653121199010.jpg https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/wp-content/uploads/dt_imgs/20180122133430659_653121198809.jpg

edit: more https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/wp-content/uploads/dt_imgs/20180122132909705_653121198807.jpg https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/wp-content/uploads/dt_imgs/20180121201546253_653121198803.jpg https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/wp-content/uploads/dt_imgs/20180122204457400_653121199405.jpg https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/wp-content/uploads/dt_imgs/20180123180239073_653121199604.jpg https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/wp-content/uploads/dt_imgs/20180123173056622_653121199409.jpg

Several also have the same screen tear at the bottom:

https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/wp-content/uploads/dt_imgs/20180120190241480_653121198905.jpg https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/wp-content/uploads/dt_imgs/20180203172024149_653121198809.jpg https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/wp-content/uploads/dt_imgs/20180202164841930_653121199009.jpg https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/wp-content/uploads/dt_imgs/20180122130100437_653121199304.jpg https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/wp-content/uploads/dt_imgs/20180215160917337_653121197002.jpg


for those wondering if it might just be a uniform, no:

https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/wp-content/uploads/dt_imgs/20180519120911461_653121195406.jpg https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/wp-content/uploads/dt_imgs/20180517131657870_653121196604.jpg https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/wp-content/uploads/dt_imgs/20180517170342980_653121195101.jpg https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/wp-content/uploads/dt_imgs/20180518122418601_653121196805.jpg https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/wp-content/uploads/dt_imgs/20180518171506413_653121198005.jpg https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/wp-content/uploads/dt_imgs/20180517172246500_653121198202.jpg https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/wp-content/uploads/dt_imgs/20180517163818334_653121196907.jpg https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/wp-content/uploads/dt_imgs/20180517130522308_653121199212.jpg

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Yeah. The persons all have the same scenario but with different faces! Looks like politically utilized deepfakes are becoming more common.

It’s way too easy to shrug off the suspicious attributes.

Credit to u/tutush from reddit gzd!:

I’m confused.

oh it was a comment I copypasted from the person on reddit

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Not to go all race angle but uh, I don’t think uyghurs look like white Europeans?

Edit: referring to the third last from the bottom. That guy looks like my Portuguese friend lol

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How do you do my fellow uyghurs?

tbf alot of uyghurs are turkic, which is like sorta european looking, but given the AI shit, it’s extra sus

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All these mofos have very big heads for some reason, could the AI mess up the proportions? Or do Uyghurs just have big heads? Or are these just copypasted on top on another picture, and the heads are made bigger to cover the previous head?

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Some of them look straight up like freaks. The longer I look at this one, the less it looks human.

The AI definitely messed up alot of the proportions on these. I remember seeing one of these where the neck didn’t even attach to the shoulder, it was like in front of it on one side of the neck. Even in this picture, the ear on the right looks melted compared to the left one.

I feel like some of these were actual people in the Victims of communism foundation wearing outfits, and they just used those as templates. The AI probably did the rest.

https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/wp-content/uploads/dt_imgs/20180517163818334_653121196907.jpg

Wow, this is a… well, it’s not really a new low, but the screen tear… it’s really something

hahaha holy shit

you guys are heroes for citing one million good sources

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Frank ocean enjoyers unite

Edit: I can’t tell if they’re scrubbing the pictures or if too many people are on the particular images, but they keep giving me errors when I try to click em. Sometimes it’ll show up though.

Thanks for sharing! Some of these photos, especially the ones with glitches are 100% AI generated. Ive had the same issues when playing around with it myself.

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Damn, I wish I had archived it. Looks like it got scrubbed overnight 🤨.

Nvm looks like they’re perhaps back for now

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Archive this stuff. At least on archive.org but also elsewhere (because that site is great but ultimately controlled by 5EYES jurisdiction)

I think it’s possible, but I think relying on these kind of arguments sorta backs you into the corner. Because if someone asks, well prove it, you’ll just end up vaguely talking about how they have that AI fluoride stare or whatever.

I’m of the opinion that these are real people, but the characterization of these photos as proof of genocide or whatever is what is 100% fabricated. Especially so when these pictures are just pushed to you along with suggestive videos of police escorting prisoners through prisons (which is just normal stuff you’d see police do anywhere)

Yeah it’s a bit of a stretch to say it’s all fake AI stuff. I mean we always say these facilities exist and we explain why they exist. We never deny it.

So why should we now assume these pictures are fake? What exactly is wrong these pictures? They’re mugshots if that’s what you’d like to call them. That’s not so weird for a prison type place. Why lose credibility?

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More likely these are just pictures from detention and juvenile detention centers in Urumqi. Mugshots are not evidence of anything of course.

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My question is: why do so many of them appear to have the exact same suit of clothes? Because if these are prison uniforms, they’re pretty nice ones.

“Welcome to the prison camp, here is your checked shirt and western-imported SPORT coat. We ask that you wear the latter fashionably askew at all times.”

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Why take mugshots then? What is a mugshot anyway?

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What? Are you asking why its necessary to take photos of prisoners?

Doesn’t China have some sort of central ID system that has photos of pretty much everybody?

If these are real people, I bet they really appreciate their photos and personal information being published by separatists (presumably) without their permission <small><small>/s</small></small>

Criminal records are normally public record. Can’t you find this kind of information about imprisoned people in Europe too? The exception would be illegally detained people (like is common in the UK and probably elsewhere) but forget about them.

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Criminal records are not public in most countries AFAIK. In Canada and Australia if a company wants your criminal record you have to authorise it.

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In most of Europe you have to ask for your record yourself and give the copy to the company that wants it.

Good point, although I’m not sure how it’s handled in China. Even so, using them for these purposes is rather disrespectful, IMO.

Everytime I see “detainees” or something I always ask the person who sent it to prove they aren’t a regular prisoner like there exist on every country

Anyone want to go over the whole archive should group them by clothing, features, and glitches. Try to avoid stuff like injuries (that one blind guy) or odd facial features generally unless its obviously computerised.

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Totally the realest thing that has ever realed

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The images do not look AI generated at all

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Idk the generation is getting pretty good https://this-person-does-not-exist.com/en , not that this matters since there are so many holes in this new “report” that none of it holds up to scrutiny.

Keep in mind that most of the training data for these networks is overwhelmingly white people, you’ll rarely come across so many convincing looking Asian faces.

Do you know of some debunking of these documents in particular?

Well the first the sourcing of all of this. Some “anonymous” source who hacked police databases just happened to send these files to Adrian Zenz of all people, what a cowinkidink scooby!

I heard some people say there were parts of the “data” where different traditional and simplified chinese letters were being used together, though I don’t speak chinese so I’m not sure how significant that is. Even then, it’s interesting to speculate on, but probably not very convincing to normies and certainly shouldn’t be the basis of our understanding of these documents.

Alot of the interpretations of what happened in these documents (assuming they are all real, which is giving alot of trust) are so vague and not contextualized at all. We know there was a rash of saudi fueled extremism in the region, and alot of the major outlets are repeating lines about what some of the charges were. Like one person was charged with “going to a Muslim majority country” and another was “charged with reading scripture”. But it’s like…that doesn’t really tell me alot on it’s own. Did the person who travelled go to like…Syria? Afghanistan? Saudi Arabia? What were they doing there? Was the person reading who was “reading scripture” just reading the quran or could it be possible that they were reading Wahabi scripture? All of the details are curiously left out.

My understanding was that, if these documents are genuine, it’s likely that this is just a normal prison and the people who published the documents may be leaving out important details about what the people were charged with + they claim that this is one of the vocational schools created a few years ago rather than a prison for actual criminals. Is this basically what you’re saying?

I was more curious if anyone had actually identified blatant contradictions, like with Tursunay Ziyawudun (although it’s only been a few days since this was published, AFAICT, so it makes sense)

it’s likely that this is just a normal prison and the people who published the documents may be leaving out important details about what the people were charged with + they claim that this is one of the vocational schools created a few years ago rather than a prison for actual criminals

Mhm! There were also pictures and videos from inside prisons, but I imagine those are reserved for the people who have reason to be there. Alot of it is just kinda suggestively put together to create some aha gotcha gimmick. Like at one point, there was a video of guards with guns with no clips…I mean, yeah you have proof of…a prison drill? Okay?

As far as contradictions go, I guess they’ll emerge in the coming weeks, but this certainly doesn’t add anything new to our understanding of what’s happening.

Sounds about right. Guess they just needed to remind the average liberal what they should think as the UN’s “human rights chief” is visiting Xinjiang

My bet is that she comes back with more or less the same conclusion UN head of counterterror Voronkov had in 2019 😯.

I can guarantee that plenty of people disregarded his conclusion because he’s Russian (since Russia and China had, and have, such a strong relationship, and even more so these days)

They’d probably toss the Organization of Islamic Cooperation’s opinion as well…y’know, for reasons 😐

Dude why do you keep changing the font of your name every day???

“They want to stay on China’s good side”, probably

I’ll have you know that I’ve never changed the font before this, good sir. Only the name itself.

They usually disregard by saying the person was lead around Potemkin villages the entire time.

I’ve read that it was an anti terrorist drill by the Chinese SWAT. So unrelated to the prison even.

The thing with the letters was that he mixed arab, Chinese and Kanji (Japanese). Now, the arabic can be explained by the Uyghurs being muslim but the Kanji is really out of place.

“Maybe they just confused Chinese script with Kanji. They look the same to me, and I am very smart!”<br>-- arbitrarily selected liberal, probably

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but the Kanji is really out of place

at this point i can’t even come with a plausible explanation of how this “gaffe” could have happened

whooooo boy, there’s a cursor in one of the “leaked documents”

@CriticalResist8
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I wonder how the cursor got here. I can’t think of any way you could have it, even taking a screenshot removes the cursor

Not necessarily, depends on the OS and how the screenshot tool is used

I don’t think you’d be able to tell, AI generated human faces look just as real. There is a website that generates human faces with AI that shows how real and easy it is now, but I can’t remember what it’s called.

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Feels like there’s bits of artificiality in the face, but it could just be confirmation bias for me. For instance his features seems a bit too assymetrical.

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You’re thinking of “this is not a real person”; and even that AI generator makes some egregious mistakes. Like, ‘hat pieces made of flesh’ type mistakes. If these are AI-generated, that means somebody really sat at photoshop for at least a week retouching an entire cache of eldritch monstrosities into something the human eye would naturally skim as a human.

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Either that or you just pick out the ones that look ok.

@Commiejones
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Or add an extra neuralnet to pick out ones with more obvious problems

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I think this one is the winner of the bunch.

If you can look at that dude’s neck and it’s weird shadow and tell me its a real picture of a real person than I can say with out a doubt you are blind or lying.

Getting a fetch error

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