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No.

First of all, what do you mean with your first statement? Unfeminine? When do women look feminine to you?

Women were treated equal under law. They enjoyed the exact same rights as men. This was better than almost all capitalist countries of the time.

Soviet healthcare was good. Child deaths dropped to basically 0 under Soviet rule and healthcare was of good quality. I don’t know what exactly you heard but it seems to be a standard anti Soviet propaganda.

Abortion is not a form of contraception. Abortion is a result of lack of contraception. Again, no idea where you got this idea. But using some logica this seems not reasonable. No woman is going around having unprotected sex because of the availability of abortions. This argument is often used by conservatives or fundamentalists and it’s bullshit.

So no, women were not suffering. I don’t have any sources available right now as I’m working but I’m sure more people will comment and hopefully they bring sources.

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First of all, what do you mean with your first statement? Unfeminine? When do women look feminine to you?

A silly example, but, Nina Khrushcheva vs Jacqueline Kennedy. Also, not saying good or bad, arguably feminization of women in the West is a product of male gaze being the dominant form of gaze because the men are dominant, even today.

where you got this idea

It was an online leftist conference about how the women in the socialist countries were more equal to men than in capitalist countries at the time. But it also included stuff like “Soviet Union was not representative of socialisms, other Eastern European countries at the time were a lot better”.

I don’t have any sources available right now as I’m working but I’m sure more people will comment and hopefully they bring sources.

Perhaps you should edit your comment later, as this is a small community and this thread might get buried under all the memes.

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A silly example, but, Nina Khrushcheva vs Jacqueline Kennedy.

This is not an example. It’s one picture of two women.

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In this “example” what exactly makes her “less feminine” in your opinion? Is it that you want to fuck her less? Do you think that women being sexually attractive to you is an important part of equality?

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I think it’s an inherently flawed stance to consider “feminine” to be solely about appearance and how much it appeals to the male gaze, is what I’m saying. Femininity is so much more than looking “thin, white and hot,” and your question literally presupposes that that is in fact what femininity is.

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I’m also a little concerned about “did they have time to care for their look” as being part of your question. Like, your framing is that spending time to look pretty for men is an important part of a woman’s life and place in society, and that if a woman doesn’t spend time “caring for their look” (your only basis for this being that you personally find soviet women to be less attractive) that they are potentially less equal?

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I will edit if I find some time soon.

Michael Parenti touches this topic as well in videos and I believe in his books Blackshirts and Red as well. You can check it out if you want.

Hakim as well in videos I think

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I think a good window into the stance on gender equality in the USSR is viewing their propaganda posters.

Women are depicted as workers, industrial/farmer/politicians/teachers/scientists/engineers and also great athletes. In juxtaposition with the West, where women during that time period we’re usually framed as sexual objects or robots to please their hardworking husbands.

https://russiatrek.org/blog/art/the-image-of-a-woman-in-soviet-propaganda/

It’s important to note that there was a huge emphasis on the glory of motherhood in the USSR (considering the circumstances of infant mortality pre revolution, and decimation of population after WWII, this makes sense)

Luxury consumption was not at the forefront of industrialization in the USSR, so, yes Soviet women may look less ‘feminen’ than their western counterpart. But that’s mostly superficial and holds no material interest.

As far as the maternity hospital treatment, that sounds a bit outlandish. But I’m sure in some rural areas it’s possible the medical facilities were not as advanced. Although the Soviet Union had an incredibly high amount of doctors per capita, at some points even exceeding the US.

So yes, I do believe women were more emancipated in the Soviet Union in the sense that man and woman shared the same responsibilities in bettering their country for the collective whole.

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I heard, even from leftists, that women were treated like animals, in maternity hospitals they were just pushed into some robes and nobody would attend to them, and they couldn’t bring anything with them. Were maternity hospitals in the Soviet Union such a hell?

Source? “I heard it from someone”, isn’t a source.

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Why did you link me an hour and a half youtube video, what’s the source?

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