what is china?

TheKanzler
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what is china?

China is a big country, inhabited by many Chinese. -Charles de Gaulle

@pinkeston
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Most based take on China by any French President ever

The frenchiest take on china i ever seen

Thank you, this made my century

The Kaffe
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Marxist lead, but the party has a broad spectrum of political tendencies, including Liberals.

The state is proletarian and has monopolies in most industries. Even the private sector has to meet planning targets set by the Congress.

It’s not Capitalist. It does have capitalist modes of production and distribution coexisting with the socialist economy, but again that capitalist mode takes up a minority of economic activity.

https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/master/socialism_faq.md#is-china-state-capitalist

To add to this, it seems like the CPC lead by Xi is increasingly moving towards more restrictions on exploitative behaviour from capitalists, which gets one of my patented, highly sought-after <big>✅</big>s

@Comrade_rose
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Thank you!

Domoŝomo
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Even the private sector has to meet planning targets set by the Congress.

Could you elaborate on this please? I thought i heard a while ago that they had declared completing the transition from a command economy to a socialist free-market.

China has 5 year plans. However the 5 year plans are different than, say, the Soviet Union. In the USSR the plan gave exact quotas for what companies should produce, at what cost, at what price do they sell it, etc. In China the economy follows market principles. So the plan doesnt specify all of that, it just lays out the objectives the companies and economy must achieve. All companies, including private companies, must follow the plan. The only exception is private companies in the Special Administrative Zones (Hong Kong and Macao) and the Special Economic Zones. There its less regulated so they dont have to follow the plan. But in the rest of China they do.

The Kaffe
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Here is a Western business source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/25/china-business-xi-jinping-communist-party-state-private-enterprise-huawei

The Party is very involved with even private companies, getting seats on boards, etc. As well, when China publishes 5 year plans, these apply to the country, including private companies. Private firms often jump into working within 5 year plan industries (can be vague shit like “invest more in green energy”). There’s likely a level of coercion where the state gets a lot more interested in your business dealings when you are going against planning targets.

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The current situation in china is that there are several tendencies within the party and the population in general. It goes from Neoliberals to Marxists and as such the struggle continues from within and from without. At the moment it seems like the domiant tendency is represented by Xi himself who is at bare minimum a marxist of some stripe. What China is will be decided in the next few decades by who wins the struggle between the different tendencies.

Now for your question is it capitalist or communist ? The best way to describe it is as a socialist state which has allowed for captalist mechanisms to once more grow within it. Again this is not a stable situation so the class struggle continues either the foundation gives and turns captalist or the captalist mechanisms yield and are replaced. The struggle is alive and well in China. Whether it ends in defeat or victory we must continue on comrade.

No country is communist. Communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless society where everything is owned collectively. Such a society can only be achieved worldwide, there cannot be “communism in one country”. Socialism is the transition stage between capitalism and communism. China is socialist, since the working class through the CPC controls the state. While there are capitalists, they dont control the state, the state controls them.

Which is why they were able to disappear Jack Ma for a while after he started talking shit about China. Here in America we’d just publish it all over the internet and run it on TV for a few weeks straight and whatever the billionaire’s criticism was would become part of the narrative.

I mean they didnt disappear him tho, they just told him to shut up if he valued his capitalist profits. But yeah i get your point.

@Liba
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Analysis of China — Reflections on the Transition from Capitalism to Socialism is a great read about the topic by Domenico Losurdo.

Yes

Capitalism is a kind of economy, Communism is a kind of socio-political relationship, how class functions in whatever historical context. China has a capitalist economy. As far as I’m aware, Communism has yet to exist anywhere in societies with modern levels of production. Plenty of Socialist countries with Communist parties though.

This isn’t to dismiss the CPC and it’s complex relationship to developing into a Socialist economy, but I don’t know enough about China on that level to speak about it.

All politics are economy driven and vice-versa.
The two are so intertwined you cannot separate them.
There used to be a field called political-economics and somewhere along the line it was seemingly broken into two bases of knowledge which doesn’t really make much sense in the big picture.

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