A lil context for why I get so worked up about it more than most. My grandma lived in East Poland(current day Belarus) and when Nazis came, my grandma’s family fled east while her father fought. Long story short, the kids(grandma and siblings) were the ones that survived and were split up across the globe. That’s the Super streamlined version. So when Bill Maher says “oh I didn’t like Nazis either but you can’t punch someone who’s not doing anything” I want to punch HIM too. The implicit support is a lesson to learn from. Also why didn’t the US kill the last Nazi collaborator living in Queens,NY instead of deportation? Watch the part where Chuck Schumer explains the deportation if you wanna cringe. https://youtu.be/nW8sC9JA2Is https://youtu.be/KzW8NYeQbo4 These are the 2 vids that inspired this. I think the main reason people should workout is so that when they punch a Nazi, they don’t get back up.TL;DR: My grandma was affected by Nazis, now libs are “tolerant” of them.
It’s disgusting to hear what the church and Francisco Franco did to your loved ones, I understand how awful and painful it can be to evn think of. A lot of Irish lefties I know use the church as a proxy for being anti-English and it’s upsetting. Ultimately the Catholic Church will use its wealth to fuck up labor movements or to pay for Pedos to transfer to a new parish. I gotta make it clear that I’m not anti-Catholic towards people I know and meet. It’s a religion, I’m personally atheist but I’ve grown apart from the Reddit atheist type I was before(All religions bad and DuMb) bc frankly idc what religious folks do, as long as it isn’t hateful. But the institution of the Church is sinful and needs to be seen as the bourgeois interest group that it is, separate from the religious beliefs that loved ones of mine hold to be true
Edit: just to be understood. I’m not claiming that believers deserve the wall de facto, and I even know that the first victims of religion and who face the class struggle, are precisely the believers the same way people living in the imperial core are victims too.
I’m sorry, but those believes aren’t separated from protecting the same church. The problem with religion is that they are ideologies, and those ideologies have the first primal indoctrination that affects even to non believers, that is that the institution must be protected at all cost, even from itself, in a really very simmilar way that capitalism has socdems and fascists. They are very different in the outside, but they have the same purpose.
And another thing, is that the institution isn’t bourgeois, it’s theocracist.
Right now is in bed with the bourgeoisie because the later is what it has power. Historically, the church was in bed always with the system and power that was dominant and at the same time, struggling to attain absolute power, being in an friendship/rivalry the same way today the nobility and aristocracy is in bed with the bourgeoisie.
BTW, I don’t know what a “reddit atheist” is, but it sounds to me like “the good socialist is never “radical””, “the good feminist is the one that doesn’t accuse men for everything”, “the good union is the one that allways collaborate with the boss”, “the good atheist never speaks the harms of religion”. Can’t you see the pattern, comrade?
Nah, I don’t fuck with Reddit atheists at all. Not all atheists, I am one, but I don’t make it a personality and I don’t call religious people backwards. They are the type who look down on religious people. They make fun of Islamic, Christian and Jewish beliefs and practices. They loved(not as much these days) posting jokes about Hindu beliefs and calling them stupid for not being enlightened or something. They are hostile especially towards Muslims, the r/atheism sub is full of “take off the hijab” type shit and “look at how these people waste their weekends/waste their life praying”.
We laugh at liberals and call the fucked up shit the rest of ideologies do too.
And I for sure know that I wastef my whole youth praying, proletizing, and believing nonsense…
I still can’t see what’s the problem they have when they do what we do here with capitalist apologists.