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Fewer.
i have altered the language, pray i do not alter it further.
Thank you Stannis
Go on, do your duty.
is this some Catholicism whitewashing? the church was party to exploitation of the peasants, fucking don’t aspire to be rich, they don’t get to heaven, but you peasants you will, trust me bro.
also they had time off because they needed to work on their own land so they don’t starve to death get a fucking grip.
*exploitation.
Ensuring everyone remained within their classes. Restricting access to knowledge. Making themselves arbiters of corporeal life and the access to the afterlife.
And also - 150 day’s work would have been for their Lord/landowner/whatever. There would have been plenty of time needed to work for oneself caring for any food/work animals, planting and harvesting one’s own food, maintaining the land, preparing any foods or goods for sale or trade.
So sure…you maybe only owed ~150 days, but the work didn’t stop there.
To be fair, a lot of those holidays involved spending 12 hours in church.
Back then churches were places where people gathered to be social and even did business there.
That sounds too good to be true. Any sources for this?
This is pretty much debunked, I think the original source for this claim was that they only worked 150 days per year in the service of their lord, but they worked the rest of the time to feed themselves.
Any links to the debunking?
That makes some claims but doesn’t really back it up.
That said, it sounds more reasonable. Cows gotta be milked. You don’t get vacation from that.
Trust me bro.
This is a myth.
Who’s we? Between weekends, holidays, and vacations I only work about half of the year too, and I’m not an exception where I live.
You medieval peasant, lol.
But to OP, before the industrial revolution, there wasn’t that much work to do in winter, so humans also had a kind of hibernation.
Of course animals were still fed and things like repairing a fence or shed would be done, but those weren’t really seen as full work days.
More than that, there just wasn’t much light to do anything meaningful through the winter. All they had were tallow candles, and they emit very little light - enough to do simple tasks, but not any real work. Even preparing and cooking a proper meal would be difficult after dark.
This is incidentally why there is a disparity in when “dinner” should be for different people. Traditionally, dinner (or the main meal of the day) was had at lunch time, because this was the time of day where you could consistently have enough light to make a big meal. The evening meal was more of a light snack. Then, with the advent of gas and then electric lighting, wealthier people started having dinner parties, where they would have big meals in the evening. Thus, for them dinner became the evening meal, while in other places dinner always was and still is lunch.
I don’t think there is more work to be done today than during medieval times. And if there is then roll back industrialization because what’s the point of machines if they create more work.
Disagree on that.
I quite like the products of industrialization.
My machine woven wardrobe, mechanized transportation, temperature controlled dwelling, refrigerator and the internet - not willing to give those up.
Disagree on what? That medieval peasants had more work than we do today?
Climate change due to industrial emissions and impending ecological collapse leading to food shortages and starvation of most humans?
Higher quality of life. We live longer, healthier, more productive, more interconnected lives, even if we do the same amount of work.
Not even, peasants were provided free food several times per shift, and worked for only half of the year. The church only started defending Sundays as a holiday when capitalism blew into town. For us to match medieval peasants, we would need all weekends, all public holidays, and 3.5 months of PTO
And also be literally unable to leave where we’re born, have no rights to self-governance, be poor as fuck and eat mostly vegetable soup, and, oh I’d be dead, because there’s no medicine
We lived in a vastly better world than peasants did, and that world requires a lot of people working in concert to maintain.
It does not, however, require us to work for 40 hours per week. We work way too much.
That very much depends on your job.
There is not a single person that has to work for 2080 hours in a year.
That’s just incorrect
Seems to work fine for practically all of europe where we have mandatory paid time off. And some countries like france with standard work weeks less than 40 hours.
In a perfectly equal system with perfect division of labor efforts, we could most likely keep our standards of living and all work less than 2000 hours per year. As it is that’s not the case and we’re practically reliant on worker exploitation in asia, africa and south america to maintain said standard where I’m assuming a lot of people work more. But that’s not inherently because of their job, it’s because their employer isn’t willing to pay them more and hire more people to lessen individual workload.
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