In the usual sanitary sewer system we use drinking water to move waste through pipes towards resource recovery plants (wastewater treatment plants). Across the US the infrastructure is in disrepair and needs a lot of attention, so getting a wasteful system running right is going to take a huge investment. Why don’t we take an opportunity to rethink how we move our waste? I would love to hear ideas folks have for a system that could work in cities that would be more efficient than water/gravity driven pipes.

  • Seabourne_Plays
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    13 years ago

    There’s not really a more efficient system than gravity. In this case, that ‘efficiency’ is in costs and materials. Most systems of moving water require pumps, and pumping water can be very costly. However with gravity, the water will carry itself, so the only maintaining you need to do is of the pipes themselves. This is an instance where the resource wasteful system is the only one that makes sense for city governments to fund, and if we want to change that, we’ll have to make an argument for cities to completely gut their existing systems to fully replace them with something else. Or, or simplify that, we have to convince people who’re bound to their budgets to spend money on something that either they or their voters don’t see as necessary. The waste management system my town uses was installed in the early 1900s, and hasn’t been changed much since. A few years ago the city renovated nearly all of the pipes, but it was only a modernization of the existing system, and it would be nearly impossible to convince the city that a different system would be more efficient for them.

    As well systems that use drinkable water is only ‘wasteful’ in places with a lack of drinkable water, so solutions to this issue will have to be case-by-case. The only method of dealing with human waste that I’m aware of, other than conventional sewers, is ‘night soil’ - or the storing of human waste in the ground, where it can be converted into dirt. But this isn’t a solution in cities, and cities are the bigger concern. Perhaps there’s something I’m not aware of, I’m only a mechanical engineer (or, more accurately a firearms engineer, but the two are very similar) and am only into civil engineering because it’s interesting. A civil engineer would be far far more knowledgeable on this than I.

    • @Slatlun@lemmy.mlOP
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      13 years ago

      I totally agree. People who know about these systems don’t have a better idea (that I have heard), and in an area where water is not treated or infrastructure has actually been updated in the last 70 years there probably isn’t the same meeting of need and opportunity that would make a change a good idea.

      To the best of my knowledge though there aren’t many major municipality that have safe drinking water that don’t treat their water before sending it out to the people (at considerable cost). You are absolutely right that changing the system would require a huge investment like it took to establish indoor plumbing v1.0, but the system is from the 1800s and is due for a revolution. I don’t know what that will look like, but I think asking the question of folks - especially people who aren’t indoctrinated with the way things are - is very worthwhile. You never know where the next breakthrough will come from.

      One last thought on gravity feed sewer systems - we pay and have the infrastructure to pump the drinking water uphill to ‘charge’ the drinking water system (eg watertowers), so that gravity feed is not free.