• @xe8@lemmy.ml
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    83 years ago

    I figure that this community should be pretty broad and include all types of anarchism at the moment until there are enough community members to start creating more specific communities.

    Of course, fascists who just put “anarcho” in their name like “anarcho-capitalists” will be banned on site. :-)

    Anarcho-pacifism is fine.

          • @outsider@lemmy.ml
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            I mean, even if we don’t call it fascism, you still cannot call it anarchism. The two terms are simply mutually-exclusive, as capitalism is a hierarchy. If you get rid of the state but retain capitalism, simply the most powerful company will take the role of the state. The reason we are against the state is because of its dominant and corrupt nature, not because it’s some mythical monster. Anarcho-capitalists seem to rebel against the label, rather than the actual essence of the state. Or, I guess, some might genuinely believe that capitalism is in fact not a hierarchy and somehow can provide free and equal society. But I dunno how to deal with delusion.

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                Well, what I called a delusion is the potential belief that capitalism is not a hierarchy, or somehow maybe a fair hierarchy. I think it is an obvious fact that capitalism needs poverty to exist. The fact how some people are rich and others are poor is capitalism working as it should. Even if you look at the Great Depression, when it happened the economy was much freer. Then Roosevelt started implementing regulations, and it (in combination with WW2) launched America into half a century of economic progress. Then, starting with Reagan, these regulations were being taken down one by one, thus freeing up the market again, and that led to the 2008 recession. These are all documented facts that you can find from even centrist sources. But even on the larger scale, America was able to stay rich because it intentionally kept other countries poor. Because you need poverty for capitalism to exist. This is a video I like that kinda breaks down the basic issue of capitalism: https://youtu.be/i-VsLNOduJA We don’t really want no interaction with Ancaps (at least I don’t). Because we don’t see their school of thought as being in any way compatible with ours. Every single branch of Anarchism rejects capitalism. I would even say capitalism is in fact a bigger problem than the state. Perhaps the state’s main role in modern society is to maintain capitalism. So the differences between Ancaps and the rest of Anarchists are irreconcilable, as far as I can see.

            • @jouka@lemmy.ml
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              03 years ago

              Capitalism is not inherently hierarchical, human societies are… Capitalism is simply a description of an economic system, and economic systems are reflections of more fundamental forces in societies.

  • @linuxer@lemmy.ml
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    43 years ago

    Do you believe in the destruction of ALL hierarchies? If so, then you are an anarchist, and you will be accepted on this forum.

    • @Echedenyan@lemmy.mlOP
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      13 years ago

      Yes, even the ones related to knowledge which use to be maintained by some self-proclaimed anarchysts in my environment (Canary Islands and Spain).

  • @southerntofu@lemmy.ml
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    33 years ago

    Personally, i argue for a diversity of tactics. If you stand in solidarity with folks engaging in sabotage and other direct actions, then i believe you have a place here.

    “It’s not strategic” and other bullshit reflections i leave to the marxist-leninist vanguards. Anti-authoritarian communists, let’s unite! Our enemies are the State, the Corporations, the Patriarchs, the White supremacists and Colonizers… not other anarchists from a different branch.

    Likewise, i encourage people engaging in more violent action to not judge pacifist comrades who do not feel like it. Virilist judgement of raw might and courage is definitely not my vision of anarchism, either.

    • @lorabe@lemmy.ml
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      43 years ago

      There’s no reason for anarchists and anarcho-comunists to be enemies, especially if you are on the pacifist side of things.

      Personally i reject most types of violence because it only breeds more volence.

      • @southerntofu@lemmy.ml
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        13 years ago

        What difference do you make between “anarchists” and “anarcho-communists”? Apart from nihilists, i don’t know any branch of anarchism that would not fall into communism as well.

    • @foca@lemmy.ml
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      33 years ago

      absolutely. i am a pacifist but do not count sabotage or destruction of obejcts/private property as violence. self defense is iffy, i see it as morally wrong but a necessary evil anyway

      • @Echedenyan@lemmy.mlOP
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        23 years ago

        I am the ones agaisnt every of that. I prefer to improve pure-defense and measures to prevent negative effects including but not limited to isolation of places, personal protection equipment, etc.

    • @Echedenyan@lemmy.mlOP
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      23 years ago

      Personally, i argue for a diversity of tactics. If you stand in solidarity with folks engaging in sabotage and other direct actions, then i believe you have a place here.

      I can be patient and believe that people can change so I may involve time on that.

  • @foca@lemmy.ml
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    13 years ago

    anarchism and pacifism aren’t really directly related at all. but if you’re an anarchist, this is an anarchist community and you’re welcome. (i’m a pacifism too, although i personally don’t tag it onto my anarchism)

    • @southerntofu@lemmy.ml
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      33 years ago

      anarchism and pacifism aren’t really directly related at all.

      What do you mean? To my knowledge, before the hippie movement overtook it and completely depoliticized it, pacifism was a major branch of the anarchist movement. For example Emma Goldman spent quite some time in jail for her pacifist, anti-nation/anti-war activities during the first World War.

      Also worth noting, pacifist does not mean strongly opposed to any form of violence. Most pacifist anarchists for instance understand collective self-defense to be perfectly acceptable when deescalating the conflict has failed.

      • @foca@lemmy.ml
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        23 years ago

        sorry! i meant there’s no need to make a distinction of anarchopacifism a separate ideology, as pacifism doesn’t really limit or control the “type” of anarchism. you can be a pacifist anarcho-syndicalist or a pacifist “anarcho-capitalist” (blegh), but tbe pacifism itself doesn’t create a new form of anarchism

        • @foca@lemmy.ml
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          23 years ago

          Alright, i take that back. i realized that pacifism does influence the type of anarchism, specifically through the means of creating the anarchism. anarchopacifism doesn’t necessarily conflict with other kinds, but definitely does count as its own ideology (as the creation of anarchy is as important as the anarchy itself)