So, this is pretty wild. It is also pretty deceptive.

As far as I know ( I’m pretty new to the communist movement, and I am not very informed on a lot of topics) Marxism-Leninism-Maoism was created(or compiled) by the Communist Party of Peru, with no direct influence from Mao or the CPC. To claim that “several hundred million chinese people” toiled to create MLM is just a falsehood. Although the chinese revolution was a huge influence, the PRC never approved this ideology. One would expect that someone who created something would approve of it, or at least recognize it as their creation.

Moreover, BRG dismisses the “several hundred million chinese people” alive today, who have never considered themselves to be Maoists and align themselves more with the group he calls “dengites”. Now, BRG is a maoist and should be well aware of this history, more so than I. BRG therefore deliberately obfuscated this information in order to claim the “several hundred million chinese people”, and that this makes him incapable of Sinophobia, somehow. This is pretty disgusting, and demonstrates the exact opposite of what he is trying to prove.

Final thoughts: Think about this for a minute. Without the Maoist rhetoric, would you be able to distinguish this post from that of a liberal? Is this not the same type of argument a liberal would make?

This kind of a take is obviously not materialist or principled. If BRG is indeed an organizer and a revolutionary, he should spend more time combating his own liberalism than posting this garbage.

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You’re right to be against Maoism.

It didn’t even start with Mao; it started with Abimuel Guzman, or Chairman Gonzalo of the CPP in Peru. It was his idea.

However…

Maoism as a term was used to describe the other side of the Sino-Soviet split so it was used as simply a moniker for people that supported China over the Soviet Union (which usually meant that they backed China against it along with the USA, unfortunately)

Even then, you had Maoists including New Left ideas; many Soviet authors and philosophers even made note of the New Left idea influences in Maoist movements before Gonzalo and afterward.

@muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml

@felipeforte@lemmygrad.ml

Tagging Felipe and muad_dibber so they see this and maybe we can corroborate what we know of this movement because some of it is pretty shady (with FBI and CIA splitting certain organizations, both SocDem and actual Marxist-Leninists, by channeling or working alongside these Maoists).

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Thanks for the response. I don’t want to just dismiss Maoism out of hand, because dismissing something without proper investigation is just dogmatism.

However, the maoists I have been exposed to online just seem to be like Trots, spiced up with a fetishism of violence. Like take this guy, BlackRedGuard for example. I used to watch his videos, early on in my political development. As I learned more about communism, I began to disagree with him ideologically. Nevertheless, I thought he was an efficient organizer, someone you could trust when things got bad. In other words, I thought he was real.

Now though, I am very suspicious. This guy tells you to start buying guns and training for revolution, serving the people, and then goes on twitter to complain about “Dengites”. Its like whiplash.

The Maoists(at least online) also don’t seem to have a plan for revolution. The Maoist conception of PPW seems to fetishize any illegal activity, regardless of it’s effectiveness (they don’t even seem willing to investigate whether or not its effective or not). There doesn’t seem to be a distinction between small armies and large armies in Maoist PPW as long as you “serve the people” (very vague). They seem to think that jumping straight into enemy fire is revolution.

Winning is revolution. There will be revolution when we win, establish the dictatorship of the proletariat, etc. The Maoist conception of PPW has not worked outside of China, under incredibly specific conditions. Why do these Maoists claim that PPW works universally, when they have never investigated, never tried it themselves?

There seems to be a survivorship bias here. If the Maoists fully believed their adventurist rhetoric and took up arms, they would get mowed down. Almost immediately. Because of this, all these Maoists who are still alive end up on twitter, complaining about “Dengites”.

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One thing too, is we shouldn’t let the ultras usurp the term “Maoism” and try to exclude everyone else. I’d wager that the majority of Chinese citizens would call themselves Maoists, he is after all the founder of the PRC, and MZT is still one of the guiding ideologies of SWCC.

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Also by the 1980s which when Gonzalo went on his political adventures, China was already under going a shift in their economy that began heck even a decade earlier. So to me MLM just seems more a political adventure that turned Mao into a somewhat religion. From what I have seen, real Maoists or at least Chinese Maoists are simply people who enjoyed Mao era political and economic policies, kind of how like we in the west have preferences for leaders and their era. So when it comes to something concrete, Maoists(Chinese) are big fans of the revolutionary feeling during Mao’s time, plus the economic policies of the time of self reliance. I like to think of it as a sort of “FDR” or whatever, people who are nostalgic of the new deal etc. What these MLMs are is simply extremist dogmatists. Communism itself has a left center and right and I guess you could say I’m more of a Mao left to center type of Communist. That’s alot more nuance than people who hold such a strict line without context or a materialist understanding of why China had to adapt throughout it’s existence.

@savoy
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Maoists are this era’s Trots. Spreading deceptive shit against the major AES country in the world and slandering parties that hold true to MLism + internationalism.

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This is the best description of them really. Now instead of “neither washington nor moscow”, its “neither washington nor beijing”. They’ve staked out their role in this new cold war, the ultraleft opposition to AES.

I wrote this below, but also we shouldn’t let the ultras usurp the term “Maoism” and try to exclude everyone else. I’d wager that the majority of Chinese citizens would call themselves Maoists, he is after all the founder of the PRC, and MZT is still one of the guiding ideologies of SWCC. We should call them ultralefts, or MLMs to be more precise.

@savoy
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I have a Chinese comrade and they’ve updated us about Maosim in China, and they don’t use the label Maoist at all. They consider themselves Marxist-Leninist and include MZT as an addition more or less. I know Maoists outside of the imperial core have done some better work (as Trots have in Latin America for example), but it seems that’s more due to not being “Westerners”

@CriticalResist8
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The CPC considers themselves Marxist-Leninist with Mao Zedong Thought, as per that Xi Jinping speech that gets passed around a lot (China’s Guiding Ideology). I think that’s the end of the matter right there regarding Maoism.

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Several hundred million of my best friends are Chinese!

For posting cringe takes by MLMs.

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