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“Putin has also on multiple occasions praised Communism and Communist figures of the past.” I just want to point out that whenever he does it’s usually prefixed or followed by a decent amount of condescension. Until he’s no longer in power, Russia is unlikely to go full socialism.

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I want to point out that what politicians says differs from what they actually do. Look at Trump, he makes many good points against American failure but all of his actions makes the situation even worse.

Adoraism-Stalinism☭
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Imma wait a while until I see enough stuff to believe this. Putin himself is a rich upperclassman with one of the largest mansions in Russia. The fact that a liberal country can become socialist without a revolution is almost revisionist.

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Jesse , what the fuck are you talking about?

OK , I relatively agree with the first paragraph , except Medvedev is pretty much can be seen as a Putin’s puppet and a way for Putin to abuse 2-term election limit (for those who don’t know , in Russia you only can’t be elected more than 2 times IN A ROW , which basically means nothing stops you from becoming a president again after there was a diffirent president elected before you)

Having NEP and Gosplan doesn’t imply that he actually believes in ideals of communism. Even South Korea used 5-year plans to their advantage and yet it didn’t move closer to communism by even an inch. It might instead be done for purely pragmatic reasons , such as reduction of significant oligarchic influence or perhaps him trying to replicate China’s success (we may never know).

The thing which you call “a praise of Communist figures” isn’t actually a praise , but might be quite the opposite. He compares communism to religion and Lenin’s mausoleum to relics of saints. Considering that Putin is a religious conservative it may be not a necessarily negative remark , but his intention doesn’t really matter , as no principled communist would compare communism with religion in the first place. May I also remind you , that he recently criticised and blamed Lenin for existence of Ukrainian state.

Zyuganov has a bad reputation among russian communists. It’s believed that he’s just a controlled opposition and judging by his party’s manifesto , CPRF is just a succdem party with Soviet Aesthetics.

By far , even his critique of capitalism doesn’t seem to come from socialist perspective , either. He believes in his own thing , which he himself calls “a reasonable conservatism”.

Now , about him supposedly “declaring oligarchs as traitors” , I understand Russian and there was no ‘oligarchs’ mentioned in his speech in the video. It looks like he bashes pro-western liberals more than anything.

At his early years he actually wanted to join NATO and the reason he now opposes them because NATO rejected him , not the other way around.

But ngl , it would be hilarious if he really was one of those “conservative socialist” types , but I doubt it.

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reading this post and its comments has temporarily restored my psychic strength

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probably should take it with a grain of salt, lots of nitpicking in this statement

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yeah, i know and i’m not taking this seriously. I just neeeded the hopium hit, that’s all

@KrupskayaPraxis
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I do believe Russia is getting pushed towards socialism to survive but that doesn’t mean the Russian ruling class is willing to let that happen

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I actually find comrade’s viewpoint extremelly interesting, to say the least. First, he didnt claim that Russia is socialist, he said that Russia is moving towards socialism. Second, i believe we should think a little bit more on what the “dictatorship of the proletariat” is, or could be.

Firstly, DoP requires the existence of a proletariat. This means that a ruling class still exists, otherwise the proletariat wouldnt be called “proletariat” but something else (productive forces maybe?) , in a process of transformation. It also requires a dictatorship and a dictator, who will actually supress and repress somebody, but IN FAVOR of the proletariat. This somebody has to be the totality of the capitalist ruling class? Couldn’t it be a part of it, under certain historical circumstances? (late stage capitalism that we are now eg?) That somebody couldnt be also various more “progressive” minorities that want more freedom? Anarchists and the deeply individualistic ideology they bear is only a small example, and there is experience of that. Putin himself can surely be considered a dictator (at least in terms of western democracy), being in power so many years, yet his peoples seem to love him. Of course a lot probably hate him as well, but we need to see who they are, and that NOT through the western liberal point of view, but through a close, carefull and openminded observation of the Russian society. The fact that he doesnt present himself as a socialist, means nothing, because what matters is what he does for the people of his country, i would say. It is misleading to try to strictly apply terms that were coined in a specific historical context, on a different historical context, because we might miss the substance of the actual happening.

I am not arguing that Russia is going towards socialism, but i believe this particular matter is extremely important, and we should rather open the conversation, instead of close it. Comrade offered a thought out of the box and we should more seriously consider on it.

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