I could just say how the Guardian, BBC, AP and obviously Reddit have been shown to be militantly anti-China, but I really want some links that could be cited. Anyone have anything that refutes these four links? Tried Dessaline’s debunk list, other person just claimed it was “word salad” and gave me these four links in the first place. Not really trying to convince them at this point, but want to get rebuttals out there for other people to see.
Specifically, I’ve heard that most of the “Uighurs” interviewed are actually from the same group of people every time, and they they’re not Uighur. Anyone have any reputable links for this?
First link has this in the first paragraph:
Drone footage has emerged showing police leading hundreds of blindfolded and shackled men from a train in what is believed to be a transfer of inmates in Xinjiang.
How is that evidence of genocide? Prisoners are blindfolded so they don’t know the routes.
IIRC it’s a common practice in many countries.
So the comment I was going to respond to got removed (maybe a based moderator on Reddit?), but I found out after I had typed out my lengthy response, posted it anyway, got auto-removed by Reddit (think a link I posted was blacklisted, I doubt Reddit has the ability to figure out which comments are in defence of China) (edit: mod on /r/shitamericanssay confirmed, it got flagged as spam by Reddit) so I’m posting it here so it doesn’t go to waste. Hopefully my two RMB cents can be of use for anyone else who’d like to try and debunk this.
Excuse the snark in what you’re about to read, the person had called me an idiot and the Dessalines debunk list a communist shithole, and It’s currently 1 AM where I live, so I was more than a little agitated.
This is the thread in question
So the first two links showed drone shots of a Chinese prison. Okay? You know there actually is an ongoing problem with extremism in Xinjiang, right? You could also take some footage of a US prison and just claim that it was an extermination camp, there’s no proof in the videos that any of the people were or were not wrongfully imprisoned, so I think we should default to innocent until proven guilty on whether that was a concentration camp.
From the Guardian article:
Drone footage has emerged showing police leading hundreds of blindfolded and shackled men from a train in what is believed to be a transfer of inmates in Xinjiang.
How is that evidence of genocide? Prisoners are blindfolded so they don’t know the routes, IIRC a common practice in many countries. I didn’t see any incidence of mistreatment or violence against prisoners in the short videos, and you can’t even see their faces clearly so how exactly do you determine if they’re scared or if they’re criminals or not (not that faces would help, since you can’t just look at someone and say if they’re innocent or guilty). As for “executed”, the Guardian article said nothing about their sentences. You just made that up.
I’ll also leave this here: https://medium.com/@sunfeiyang/breaking-down-the-bbcs-visit-to-hotan-xinjiang-e284934a7aab
And this: https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/07/05/xinjiang-and-uyghurs-what-youre-not-being-told/
Why did the EU refuse a visit to Xinjiang if they were so concerned?
Pakistan, a Muslim majority country, doesn’t have a problem with what’s happening in Xinjiang: https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/422970-pakistani-diplomat-narrates-visit-to-chinas-xinjiang
Neither does Egypt (also Muslim majority): https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/430738-egyptian-media-delegates-provide-a-detailed-insight-of-the-situation-in-xinjiang
Neither do most other other Muslim majority countries: https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2019/07/278860/arab-muslim-majority-countries-china-mistreatment-uighurs/
Why would Muslim majority countries, who would almost certainly support other Muslims on religious principle alone, even more than the US or EU members which are Christian majority countries, be okay with this? Have they not read the same reporting you have and then some? Are they stupid? Incompetent? Countries like the UAE and Saudi Arabia aren’t poor either, nor do they depend on China as most of their GDP comes from oil on their own soil, if countries from the UK to Denmark to Sweden to Estonia to Poland can “afford” to “speak out” against China, so can they. Muslim majority countries have spoken out against US and European treatment of Muslims in both the past and the present so they’re obviously not afraid to defend Muslims in other countries, and the US isn’t exactly one to take criticism in stride and more embargo/bombing happy than China (seeing how the US is still doing it), so why don’t they say something about China if they really think there is a problem?
Over ten thousand Xinjiang Muslims make yearly pilgrimages to Saudi Arabia, would be a perfect time to defect if they were being killed off in China, no? I feel like Saudi Arabia would be a decent bet for a Muslim fleeing religious persecution.
In the wake of fake Uighur testimonials by a CIA operative explain why I shouldn’t be skeptical at the other testimonials in Western mainstream media?
All of these links were from the GitHub page I linked which you didn’t bother to read.
Not to be flippant, but honestly, I do feel that we shouldn’t be constantly going after these news outlets for their lies; after all, I do feel that their strategy is to make us constantly make rebuttals to them, therefore distracting us.
I personally think it’s important to post refuting evidence whenever fake news about China shows up, not to convince anyone in power or the media itself, but to help average people in the West get out of the propaganda trap. Maybe I’m just naive or a hopeless idealist, but based on what I’ve seen, many, maybe most people actually mean well and are concerned about the wellbeing of Chinese people when talking about “human rights issues” with China, and they’re genuinely misinformed because they’re constantly surrounded by anti-China propaganda. Those are mainly the people I want to reach with these rebuttals because they’re most likely to be pulled out of that propaganda trap, I know because I was once one of those people before I really started reading up about communism (which all started when I joined Lemmy, funnily enough).
Rodericday handles nearly all of these directly: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1287411708374454273.html
