• queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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        Absurd. America has already given $75 billion in “assistance” to keep this war going, imagine if that had been spent on people who need it in America? And you want to spend even more than that??? Every bomb is food stolen from the mouth of a hungry child.

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          About 24 billion is non-military financial aid and 4 billion more is humanitarian, so that’s a big chunk not being spent on bombs. Slightly more than half of the remainder is the estimated value of old stock being sent over and therefore could not be “spent” on assistance for Americans anyway. The remaining 23 billion that is actually money spent on equipment and training is less than half of one percent of annual federal government expenditure. Weapons for Ukraine are not the reason money isn’t being spent on what you want it to be spent on.

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              Depends on what the countries sending it can afford and what it would take for Russia to stop invading. That’s not the point I’m making. The point is that the none of the countries aiding Ukraine are currently spending anything anywhere close to enough of their budgets to significantly affect any other spending they do. If you’re unhappy with how your government directs the other 99.6% of its budget, yeah, I get that. I am at mine too. But helping Ukraine is not the problem there.

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                No one is helping Ukraine! It’s all just a ploy to keep the war going forever.

                Where do you think inflation comes from? It comes from throwing money into the war machine.

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                  Ukrainians sure as hell seem to feel otherwise. I’ll also note that you lumped in $28 billion of non-military financial and humanitarian aid from America as “throwing money into the war machine”, and America’s aid is proportionally more military than most countries. Eight million Ukrainian refugees displaced by the war are being housed across Europe, and that is counted in the assistance figures too. If you don’t think housing refugees counts as helping, then frankly go fuck yourself.

                  Where do you think inflation comes from?

                  It does not come from half a percent of the federal budget. The amount is simply nowhere near big enough. If all of the American spending on assistance to Ukraine was actual new money printed, it would increase the money supply in the US by a grand total of 0.35%. Hell even if the entire US military budget was new printed money it’d still only add 4%, and that’s a ludicrously unrealistic scenario

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                    Inflation is coming from countries all over the world leaving the US dollar to trade in their own currencies. Part of that is because America spends infinite money on war, and it’s also a side effect of the unprecedented sanctions regime against Russia. There is now a self-fulfilling cycle of dedollarization happening because of this war.

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                  So inflation is Russia’s fault.

                  We just need to let NATO turbo-fuck Russia and make it a vassal state. It’s a failed state as-is and a constant irritant.

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          What is your plan than?

          What should the west do?

          Let me guess, you have no alternative that does not boil down to “Let Putin and people like him do what they want.”

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            Negotiate an end to the war. I’d support a UN monitored vote in the Donbass region and Crimea (and any other contested area) on whether they want to join Russia or stay with Ukraine.

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              Negotiate an end to the war.

              Russia refuses to give back the lands seized.

              Now what to you do?

              I’d support a UN monitored vote in the Donbass region and Crimea (and any other contested area) on whether they want to join Russia or stay with Ukraine.

              Not an option the Ukrainian gov will accept. Nor should they.
              When parts of the USA wanted to leave that was not response from the USA.

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                Not an option the Ukrainian gov will accept

                Losers don’t get to dictate rules, the negotiations will be between Russia and US/NATO, it doesn’t matter what the client state thinks.

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                I don’t expect Russia to give back lands seized. I expect the will of voters to be respected by both sides.

                The Ukrainian government will accept any option we give them. They’re our puppet.

                When parts of the USA wanted to leave that was not resonance from the USA.

                That sure as hell wasn’t democratic! It’s not like Black people got a vote.

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                  I expect the will of voters to be respected by both sides.

                  We are talking reality here not what you want.

                  That has already been rejected. It is not an option.

                  Again: Russia will not leave, Ukraine will accept nothing but a return to the pre-invasion 2014 borders.

                  What do you propose?

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                    What the fuck are you talking about? Crimea had a vote, they voted to join. There hasn’t been a vote in the Donbass.

                    Ukraine will do whatever the fuck we want because they are slaves to the infinite money spigot.

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                  Rofl. You expect russia, whos already announced putin has won his next election, to respect the will of the people.

                  Would you like to buy the Brooklyn Bridge as well? I got the title right here.

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              Sorry, but as if. Russia is a UN veto power. And Russia would never accept UN troops sent by the West to oversee anything. And african nations won’t want to piss off Putin by agreeing to this. Putin wants his anti-NATO back and this war will only end with Putin thuroughly defeated.
              Not to mention that such a vote would be a farce anyway. Russia has had enough time to kill, torture, intimidate or disappear enough people that such a vote could never be fair.
              And as for the money spent on Ukraine, it’s but a cheap talking point to suggest that supporting Ukraine and supporting your own population are mutually exclusive. Not to mention believing that if the money wouldn’t have been spent on Ukraine, that your own people would’ve seen that money is pretty delusional. For starters, most of the support sent by the US is hardware. And the given value for that support is the replacement cost for the kit sent. However, most of the kit sent was due to be replaced anyways, so the actual cost for the US is much lower than the figure being thrown around.

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                this war will only end with Putin thuroughly defeated

                Do you really believe that? After 3 months of this pathetic counteroffensive with nothing to show do you honestly still believe that Ukraine will turn things around with the power of friendship?

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                Russia having UN veto power is why a UN monitored vote could actually be trusted by both sides, what the hell are you talking about?

                And no one is “supporting” Ukraine. They’re ensuring the war never ends, there will never be enough support to actually end the war.

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                  Make it make sense then. Russia invaded Ukraine, Russia wants to annex as much of Ukraine as it can, why would Russia agree to hold a fair vote that could see Russia lose all its captured territory?

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          You know full well we do not spend food on horn children in America for they come from sin. We only care about the unborn. Ask clearly you are fake american.