Gang members and drug dealers have been quick to adopt ways to screen their communications. This is why law enforcement agencies are seeing a rapid rise in the adoption of highly encrypted apps like Signal, which incorporate capabilities like image blurring to stop police from reviewing data.  Decrypting messages and attachments sent with Signal has … Continue reading “Cellebrite’s New Solution for Decrypting the Signal App”

Signal may be vulnerable

@solune
31M

It looks like in order to decrypt it, they need access to a key that’s stored somewhere on your phone. Does anyone who has a better understanding of this know if encrypting your phone would be enough to prevent that (assuming they’re not able to get ahold of it while it’s unlocked)?

@chad1234
31M

Remember also that if you cross an international border you can be searched without any reason. There are many reports of people having their devices searched and the whole contents copied. Domestically they have to have a reason to search you - suspicion of crime, warrant etc.

@chad1234
31M

Yes all the encrypted chats have an encryption key which is stored on your device or somewhere. So all of them are vulnerable to being read if your device is taken into custody - such as if you are searched, arrested or cross a border

imo encrypting your phone at most delays them. Obviously yyou should encrypt your phone anyway, if you have sensitive data on it

This celebrit thing is for the police. undoubtedly the NSA has easier access to reading everything easily. Unclear if police have the ability to crack an encrypted phone or not. It is possible that the police do not have this capability and it may be reserved for the national security groups.

earlier we saw the drama over the encrypted iPhone of the two mass shooters and Apple refusing to decrypt them. IMO its a drama to make people believe encrypting your phone makes it safe and make people believe Apple is “privacy oriented”.

You should avoid storing too much sensitive data on your phones. There are various case where people are coerced into giving their passwords

Signal is garbage anyway and the NSA is able to see who is calling who due to the centralized design plus you need a phone number to create an account.

@solune
31M

Would the ability of the NSA and possibly the police to decrypt phones be due to a backdoor, and if so, could installing a different OS on the phone help prevent that?

@chad1234
31M

the leaks suggest a range of mechanisms but yes installing a different OS would help. that doesnt make you immune and there are still ways to crack other OS but it would close off the backdoors of google Android.

@chad1234
21M

installing a diff OS could brick your phone maybe. beware and maybe should use a cheap phone

RED Vulpix
11M

This is a serious question: Seeing that everyone here is against western surveillance, what about China? Do you support their state surveillance programs and what makes them different?

@chad1234
41M

Yes, the Western media is running many stories about China’s surveillance programs.

They are not of major concern to us since we do not live in China. Why should any of us care of the Tiktok is feeding our lame memes to China, we dont even live there.

Secondly the Western surveillance system operates to prop up the capitalist imperialist system and to suppress the working class.

the Five eyes surveillance system is much more extensive and sophisticated than anything operated by China Russia or Eye-ran. Western media obsession is projection or a diversion tactic

RED Vulpix
11M

Do you support China’s surveillence of their own citizens? That was actually what I was trying to ask.

@chad1234
31M

Do you support Western surveillance system?

RED Vulpix
11M

No.

@chad1234
21M

Fair enough. However, it is necessary in china due to being under constant attack from the capitalist powers.

the Western surveillance also claims to fight terrorism as well but that doesnt mean we should not attempt to avoid it

RED Vulpix
11M

Just curious, do you see the fact that surveillance in China is highly centralized as an advantage or a disadvantage? Compared to western surveillance which is all over the place? I always see “Xi JingPing knows what you had for breakfast and can arrest you for it” as the biggest argument against it.

I mean, I’ve heard that most Chinese citizens support the surveillance programs with the main argument that it really does prevent crime. I don’t know about their internal politics but the people within the system probably have the most accurate perspective on it.

@chad1234
21M

Exaggeration and Western one is much more extensive. NSA can monitor global communications in real time.

RED Vulpix
11M

Another thing, since you mentioned “it is necessary in china due to being under constant attack from the capitalist powers.” If the whole world went socialist/communist, do you see state surveillance going down?

@chad1234
21M

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Key thing is that the socialist society has to be a functional and stable society. So similarly for police, there will need to be police in the socialist society and similarly for other elements of the state: surveillance, state security, military etc

Many Western leftists on internet say that their version of socialism will have no police, prison, state security, military etc. no hierarchical oppression etc. And somehow people will all be well behaved and there will be social shaming of criminals or some sort of criminal justice system without police and prisons. Obviously, such a society would soon crumble and be unviable in real life. Perhaps mainstream Western leftism is very simplified and idealistic and focused on classing various things as “bad” without thinking about how they function in the system of capitalist production.

The recent anti-police protests in USA. the focus was solely on the police behavior and protesters demanded abolishing or defunding them. However, without police, the capitalist system would cease to function due to lack of enforcement of property claims. It is not surprising that none of the police departments have actually been abolished and any defunding was a tiny portion for maybe 1 year.

So, its not that police/ surveillance/ other state functions = bad, but rather they are bad because of their role in enforcing capitalism and imperialism.

@chad1234
21M

Western surveillance is intensifying due to the contradictions of capitalism and conflicts from imperialism. a few years ago capitalism was stable enough such that anti-capitalists were not being banned from the R place

there should be less need for surveillance once class conflict is resolved with whole world being socialist. however, there will be elements of the ancien regime which will have to be dealt with

@chad1234
11M

ive not thought about it much since it will likely be many decades in the future at least

@redjoker
creator
11M

I do, 100%. The US intelligence agencies are in a shadow war with China already. They fund ETIM terrorists to destabilize the country. Since 1990 ETIM-affiliated terrorists have killed over 1000 people, mostly Uyghur Muslims

Westerners criticize Chinese Internet censorship, but I don’t see China having to wring their hands over measles, mumps, rubella, and whooping cough making a resurgence and filling graveyards with the bodies of children like they are here in the US. And getting on a VPN there to go over the firewall is trivial

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