1. Classical Marxist
  2. Marxist-Leninist
  3. Maoist
  4. Stalinist
  5. Xi Jinping Thought
  6. Ho Chi Minh Thought
  7. Other (please specify)
  • Star Wars Enjoyer A
    link
    10
    edit-2
    3 years ago

    You only really listed two socialisms.

    Stalin, Mao, Xi Jinping, and Ho Chi Minh were/are all Marxist-Leninists.

    Stalin added very little to Marxism-Leninism, and mostly just saw the continuation of the revolution as Lenin put into motion, the term “Stalinist” is widely used against Marxist-Leninists in anti-communist propaganda, and there’s an argument that the term was coined by Stalin’s counter-revolutionary opposition, who used it after Stalin’s death to smear his leadership and steer the Union towards liberalizing.

    Mao’s additions to Lenin’s theories are referred to as “Marxism-Leninism with Mao Zedong Thought” or “Socialism with Chinese Characteristics”, he didn’t forge an independent ideology, rather he fit Leninism to the Chinese situation. At least of what I understand from trying to read it, most of what he puts forwards are theories on how to put Socialism into motion within the material conditions of warlord era China, with the bulk of his theories on how Socialism should function being standard Marxism-Leninism

    Xi Jinping is just a Marxist-Leninist, all of his policies are in line with Lenin’s theories and he represents a return to Marxism-Leninism for the CCP.

    Ho Chi Minh was also just a Marxist-Leninist, his contributions are referred to as “Marxism-Leninism with Ho Chi Minh Thought”, and is just Marxism-Leninism fit to the Vietnamese situation.

    So, the ideologies you listed are, more accurately Classical Marxism, Marxism-Leninism, and other.

    Before I list other socialisms, it’s worth noting that naming small differences in ideology after people is a bad way of looking at political ideals. There is no “Trumpism” for instance, what he and his predecessors brought forwards (and for that matter, Biden does it too) is “American Fascism”. There is no “Dengism”, Deng was only a reformer and didn’t represent a new and unique ideology block. Ideologies that are named after people, are done so because they’re unique enough to deserve it. Leninism is different enough from Marxism that his contributions are denoted in the title, but those who build upon the foundation he built often don’t stick out enough to deserve their own ideology.

    Other socialisms include;

    • Orthodox Marxism (being more dialectical than Classical Marxism)
    • American Socialism (being a family of ideologies instead of a united one, including Syndicalism, Pantherism, Unionism, etc.)
    • Trotskyism (being attributed to Trotsky, who rejected Lenin’s path. Though the major thing that sets it apart from ML is the adherence to the idea of ‘permanent revolution’ or a belief in having revolutionary movements in non-developed nations without aid or preparation - it is directly opposed to ‘Socialism in one state’, which is the belief that a single socialist state should be formed and maintained that would then export the revolution in support of revolutionary projects)
    • Neo-Marxism (which seems to be lax on the dialectics, in favour of psychoanalysing and existentialism)

    Then other forms on non-marxist socialisms

    • Proudhonian Anarchism (one of the more popular ones, though they don’t seem to like to call themselves that)
    • Democratic Socialism (the belief that socialism can be achieved via the polls. Sometimes it’s Marxist, sometimes it isn’t)
    • American Socialism (mentioning again, because it’s a family of ideologies, and some of them are non-marxist)
    • and others, but this list is long enough.

    I, personally, describe myself as being Eco-Marxist and a Leninist.

    • The Free PenguinOP
      link
      fedilink
      53 years ago

      I wouldn’t really call Biden a fascist per se, I’d group him more with liberals than fascists.

      • Star Wars Enjoyer A
        link
        3
        edit-2
        3 years ago

        Biden’s still putting Mexicans in cages. Biden’s still turning immigrants away. Biden’s still propagating the police state. Biden isn’t putting forwards any efforts to end the race war that has existed in America for generations. Biden isn’t reducing the size or the scope of the military-industrial complex. Biden is doing nothing about climate change. Biden refuses to pass social system reforms.

        What does Biden do, then? Well, American Fascism.

        The natural progression of Liberalism - the ideology of capitalism -, is the transition to Fascism. Liberalism only exists to set up the social and material conditions for the state to transition into the far-right. The Liberals, first and foremost, achieve this via suppression of left-wing ideology, and the systematic oppression of all peoples below the bourgeois class. Then, the Liberals pit oppressed peoples against each other. Blacks against whites, gays against straights, worker against worker, etc. Biden is completely complicit in this, so was Obama, and every democrat to have ever existed since the formation of American Capitalism. The only difference between the democrats and the republicans in American politics, is the democrats pretend to be polite about their transition towards Fascism.

        Further, the Liberals achieve Fascist reform under the voter’s noses, by pushing the ‘overton window’ (the range of policies politically acceptable to the mainstream population at a given time) steadily to the right, slowly setting into motion the downward spiral the state requires to push openly Fascist narratives. The more they’re able to push the window, the more they can abuse the material conditions they made exist, and the more disenfranchised their populations become. The more disenfranchised the population, the more likely they are to be radicalized into “extreme” ideologies. They intend for their populations to radicalize into Fascism, but it appears in times of extreme disenfranchisation radicalism into Fascism and Communism are proportional, if your population begins drifting into one the other half of the population will drift into the other to “defend” themselves. Which, is what we’ve been seeing in the United States over the past few years.

        • The Free PenguinOP
          link
          fedilink
          13 years ago

          I thought the conservatives want to move the overton window to the right and the liberals want to keep it where it is

          • Star Wars Enjoyer A
            link
            23 years ago

            not at all.

            Think about American politics not as two independent parties, but as two hands to a connected body. The Democrats would be the left hand, the Republicans the right. They both act in the interests of the body, and they help each other achieve goals that mutually benefit the ruling class. The “#Resistence” against ‘the right’ is theatre, nothing more.

            Conservatives are Liberals, the rest of the world understands this already. The Republican Party would be considered a Far-Right party by the world’s standards, and the Democrats would be considered a right-wing Liberal party. Bernie, the person both parties called a “communist”, would be considered a Social-Democrat and still on the right, in accordance to the rest of the world.

          • Muad'DibberMA
            link
            13 years ago

            Liberal means right wing, pro capitalist, pro wage slavery, pro landlordism, pro free market. The Australian right wing party for example, is the liberal party. Reagan and Thatcher are liberals.

            In the US, a distinction is made for social liberals, who also hold all the same views as those above and are also right wing, but occasionally progressive on social issues, as long as it isn’t an affront to capitalist rule. IE more women prison guards and trans drone pilots.

            Here’s a better and concise definition tho than that I did above.