Read the comments in the chains that are beneath it. https://old.reddit.com/comments/13ylk42/comment/jmnp04a
My participation will be low here for the time being, but this is something that affects all. Brace yourselves.
Additional information that borderline fascistic instances like sopuli.xyz already exist (Finland NATO supporter), and lemmy.one (PrivacyGuides admin) is run by a US/Canada nationalist that defederated Lemmygrad day 1 and calls people here liberals.
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An illegal invasion is when Russia liberates Ukraine after NATO used it as a fleshlight to bomb Russia for a decade and expected Russia to turn the other cheek.
You sure as shit would be pissed if China started setting up hundreds of millions of dollars of military equipment in Mexico and started shelling Texas for 8 goddamn years, banning the English language and committing ethnic cleansing of people with American and European heritage in Mexico, killing thousands as the world turned a blind eye and blamed the U.S.
I don’t fall under a gender binary. It’s quicker to type “comrade”, or “friend”.
“Illegal” makes no sense in international politics like this. The dissolution of the USSR was “illegal” (majority voted against it). The founding of almost every republic on Earth was “illegal”. Almost every action taken by the CIA is “illegal”. Furthermore, legality is a horrible basis for a system of ethics or morality irregardless.
Those points were relevant to my position. No outcome is “excusable”, there was no good ending for Ukraine after the fall of the USSR, and it’s pointless to impose some idealistic mindset of what is right and wrong and justified and excused when all states (governments) involved deserve to be overthrown. Being controlled by USA/NATO or by Russia are both bad for the Ukrainian people, and any actual sovereignty would be crushed. Ukraine’s coup was only allowed to survive because of NATO strategic interest, they are unfortunately in a position where they are forced to be subservient to their nationalistic neighbour or the world major superpower.
The situation is terrible. Both sides suck, and my only allegiance is to the citizens of each country caught up in this bullshit.
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If you want to bring relevance into this, a war in Eastern Europe has extremely little relevance to me, my family, my community, my co-workers and even my country, beyond the fortunate side effect of it weakening the major world superpower. This entire conversation is irrelevant.
I’m not replying to you to “win the argument”, that’s an unhealthy mindset to have when discussing serious issues. Especially when you just made blind assertions about others being contrarian. If you want to spew a bunch of fallacies and declare some kind of victory, twitter will happily accommodate the spectacle. If you actually care about Ukrainian peoples, projecting arguments onto other people and declaring some strange victory provides no solidarity or support for them. It doesn’t help us understand what is happening, and why it will happen in other countries next decade unless we help stop it.
Most of the viewpoints you just projected onto me are completely baseless. I’ve made it clear I want the dissolution of Russia. I also want the dissolution of NATO. No contradiction! I don’t know why you keep insisting I like Russia. I want it gone more than you do. If I have any grudge, it’s against the Russian Federation for willingly plunging their own people into poverty and terror.
My critique of NATO is not a grudge, it’s a recognition that they actively antagonize the sovereignty of almost the entirety of South America, Africa and the Middle East, along with much of Asia, and more. Anti-democracy, invasion and bombing. The same bullshit Russia has done to Ukraine. The sad truth is that NATO are not “good”. Russia aren’t either. There is no good side in this war. Neither side really give a fuck about Ukrainians, hell they barely care about their own citizens.