I’m about a quarter of the way through The Dispossessed, and I’m pretty disappointed so far. It seems like a flat character expounding on the virtues of Anarcho-syndicalism, but I just have a hard time believing it.

It honestly reminds me of Atlas Shrugged. It’s this ideal world where an idealist system works, and it’s hard to make it believable.

Maybe I’m just a hater. I guess I shouldn’t have an opinion until I finish it.

  • @Slatlun@lemmy.ml
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    LeGuin was a writer, not a futurist. The value of her writing is in the style and not the plot points. She was never interested in asserting truth or facts exclusively. She found that to be “sterile”. Instead, LeGuin built worlds and presented questions. Some worlds took place ‘in the future’ because that was a niche of readers, editors, and publishers that was willing to embrace her work.

    Don’t look to the books for realism and answers. You will be disappointed because that was explicitly not her intention in writing. In her words, “I have no interest in confession. My games are transformation and invention.”

    • diegeticscream[all]🔻OP
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      Hi slatlun, thanks for weighing in! I think there might be a slight ideological mismatch here. I meant to post this to the lemmygrad books community to specifically get a read on what other ML’s think about the ideology she puts forward here, and how she presents it.

      I quite like her Earthsea series, actually! The writing and characterization in The Dispossessed seems different specifically because it’s meant to be a vehicle for her political thoughts (and I think she’s said that in interviews from a quick skim).

      My post is largely meant to be about her politics and how she presents them (I’m also not done with the book).

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        Earthsea is super cozy

      • @freagle
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        It’s speculative fiction, not ideology. The book is a speculation about what an anarchist society that broke from a capitalist society would be like. She clearly has an opinion, but it’s nothing like a Randian literary project.

        • diegeticscream[all]🔻OP
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          I’m not sure I see the same difference you’re seeing. Is speculative fiction that tries to present a system of ideas as possible much different than a sincere defense of that system of ideas?

          Like, we’re all pretty clear on Starship Troopers being speculative fiction that defends (a form of) fascism.

          I’m not really trying to argue that deeply, and I def hold Le Guin in much higher esteem than Rand.

          • @freagle
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            Starship Troopers is a critique of fascism, not a support of fascism.

            Think of Le Guin’s speculative fiction as theory projects. For example, in the Left Hand of Darkness you wouldn’t say she defends an ideology of hermaphrodism. The Dispossessed is a what if that fits neatly into the gaps of most social theory. The Marxist tradition is famous for thinking about the critical aspects of social development while steadfastly refusing to speculate on exactly what forms those would take. In The Dispossessed, you can easily see someone on Earth looking up at the Moon and wondering “What if we shot all those anarchists at the moon and told them they could build their utopia there?” That she choose anarcho-syndicalism and not fully automated gay luxury space communism could be seen as an “endorsement”, but I think the intense and unsolvable scarcity lends itself a little better to an anarcho-syndicalist story. Also note that there is a concerted effort on her part to also imagine changing language and social relations in a way that, during the time of her writing, was not really supported by MLs in the US, who were quite clear that race and gender were secondary problems that would eventually work themselves out once the class problem has been resolved and that the queer movement was bourgeois corruption of human society. During that time, writing something like The Dispossessed would have required drawing inspiration from outside the predominant manifestation of ML theory in her society.

            In short, I just don’t see it like the Randian project of trying to show everyone how Objectivism is correct and how if everyone would just do it we’d live in a perfect society, etc. I don’t see Le Guin’s writing as dogmatic. Instead I see it as curious. That’s what I mean speculative here. It’s a different type of theory work, exploring possibilities, finding and surfacing contradictions, imagining the impacts certain principles would have on the human condition and how it might play out over time. If you haven’t finished it yet, I won’t spoil the ending, but it doesn’t end in a way that says “and they all came to realize that the anarchists were right and society successfully replicated itself using their principles forever and ever.”

            • diegeticscream[all]🔻OP
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              I’ll take that. Thanks for laying it out so clearly! I’ll try not to judge the whole work before I finish it.