• ButtigiegMineralMap
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    11 year ago

    Definitely, its been a while since I’ve read the correspondence between the 2, but Marx praised his recognition of the fact that labor created value more than anything else.

    • SovereignState
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      From my understanding, this idea is ahistorical and Marx and Lincoln had rather limited correspondence, insofar that Lincoln never responded.

      The quote is usually portrayed as…

      Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.

      However, if we continue...

      Capital has its rights, which are as worthy of protection as any other rights. Nor is it denied that there is, and probably always will be, a relation between labor and capital producing mutual benefits. The error is in assuming that the whole labor of community exists within that relation. A few men own capital, and that few avoid labor themselves, and with their capital hire or buy another few to labor for them. A large majority belong to neither class–neither work for others nor have others working for them. In most of the Southern States a majority of the whole people of all colors are neither slaves nor masters, while in the Northern a large majority are neither hirers nor hired. Men, with their families–wives, sons, and daughters–work for themselves on their farms, in their houses, and in their shops, taking the whole product to themselves, and asking no favors of capital on the one hand nor of hired laborers or slaves on the other. It is not forgotten that a considerable number of persons mingle their own labor with capital; that is, they labor with their own hands and also buy or hire others to labor for them; but this is only a mixed and not a distinct class. No principle stated is disturbed by the existence of this mixed class.

      Again, as has already been said, there is not of necessity any such thing as the free hired laborer being fixed to that condition for life. Many independent men everywhere in these States a few years back in their lives were hired laborers. The prudent, penniless beginner in the world labors for wages awhile, saves a surplus with which to buy tools or land for himself, then labors on his own account another while, and at length hires another new beginner to help him. This is the just and generous and prosperous system which opens the way to all, gives hope to all, and consequent energy and progress and improvement of condition to all. No men living are more worthy to be trusted than those who toil up from poverty; none less inclined to take or touch aught which they have not honestly earned. Let them beware of surrendering a political power which they already possess, and which if surrendered will surely be used to close the door of advancement against such as they and to fix new disabilities and burdens upon them till all of liberty shall be lost. :::

      The motherfucker is literally talking about the American dream of laborers becoming petit bourgeois. He declines to admit explicitly that class mobility is a fever dream, but admits that the ideal, incredible life for your average citizen is to aspire to deproletarianize and become a small business owner. And he audaciously claimed it’s a “generous and prosperous system which opens the way to all, gives hope to all, and consequent energy and progress and improvement of condition to all”. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps, penniless beggar. Capitalism is here to stay and it’s utterly perfect the way it is. From my reading, Lincoln utilized an understanding of class politics the same way Bezos does today.

      https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/first-annual-message-9

      Frederick Douglass had this to say:

      “He was ready and willing at any time during the first years of his administration to deny, postpone and sacrifice the rights of humanity in the colored people to promote the welfare of the white people of this country."

      He does then go on to rightfully praise Lincoln for his actions against slavery.