I found this recently.

  • @Idliketothinkimsmart
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    111 year ago

    You don’t need to argue with a zionist, but there are plenty of well meaning people who can be persuaded to the right conclusions with the right nudging

          • Dialectical Drip
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            81 year ago

            “Why would I try to convince anyone if they can’t help directly” Fucking clown logic.

          • @Idliketothinkimsmart
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            71 year ago

            You’re not going to get very far without mass support. The reality is that Palestinians are going to have to cooperate with Israeli citizens in order to achieve liberation that works for everyone.

            A big part of why Israel is able to exist is because of US weapons and financial support. Convincing the western world, and Americans especially, is a pretty important component to stopping said weapons and financial support.

              • @Idliketothinkimsmart
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                51 year ago

                The legacy of Oslo accords shows this to be false. Cooperation with ‘israel’ or ‘israeli’ citizens has led to nothing but disaster. You promote this treasonous idea that the liberation of Palestine, or any people, is dependent upon the support and cooperation of the oppressor nation. But that is not the case.

                Cooperating with zionists =/= cooperating with Israeli citizens who would wish to see an end to Israeli apartheid rule. A country’s political outlook doesn’t change overnight, and there’s a lot of political agitation that has to happen before it radically changes. OP’s original post was doing just that, but you flippantly dismissed it as unimportant. Debunking one of the central arguments to the Israeli state is unimportant?

                You and your parties continue to expose yourselves as irrelevant to the struggle.

                A decade ago, it would not have even been safe to claim that Israel is an apartheid state. What change do you suppose happened that made it tenable to declare such truth? Yes, political agitation can be slow, but it all has to be viewed as a small piece in a larger political project. You’d be surprised to learn that many Palestinian Americans are involved in these “useless” parties in the Imperial core. Palestinian organizers, antiwar parties, leftists parties, and the union at the Oakland port managed to block the Zim shipping boat from landing in Oakland. Similar actions took place in Seattle, South Africa, and Canada. The Seattle action caused the Israeli general consulate to ask the local government to intervene on their behalf to no avail.

                The movement to reject South African apartheid then didn’t appear in a vacuum and neither will the movement to reject Israeli apartheid.

                The downvotes speak volumes.

                You’re being needlessly belligerent for no reason. That’s why people are downvoting you.

              • Dialectical Drip
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                1 year ago

                “Meaningless slogans like anti-Zionism is not anti-semitism” ???

                If you are trying to say that distancing ourselves from and rejecting anti-semitism is obsolete then get the fuck out