I have no problem with beehaw and sopuli existing, or any instance existing. It’s impossible to control who makes instances because Lemmy is open source and has pretty simple installation instructions.
My problem is that their recruitment tactic is to bring down Lemmygrad (including lying about it) and try to create their fame out of that. As an admin, long time and active user of lemmygrad, I’ll defend this instance if they keep trying to defame it. If they stopped and just tried to build their instances without trying to stir trouble with us, then I think all of us would also stop going after them on lemmy. They can also talk shit all they want on their own instances if they want.
The admins on lemmy must be having a field day but if there is a solution to this issue (which will eventually pass, like everything), it’s to tell the sopuli and beehaw people to stop attacking other instances. Maybe make it a rule on lemmy. I mean, we’re the only instance that’s ever being attacked but just for fairness don’t point us out specifically, just ban all inter-instance trouble-brewing.
sopuli and beehaw people to stop attacking other instances
Warfare between instances is analogous to the methods of brigading and drama-creation that are weaponised on reddit.
By that I mean /r/subredditdrama solely exists to function as an attack tool against political targets of the liberal modteam and to bring together sitewide drama against their intended targets, creating pressure upon the admins to act. In this situation a similar tactic is being employed.
Just came across this comment. Can you point out where Beehaw attacked Lemmygrad, or tried to bring it down? Of course if they violate our site rules, I will do something about it, but I dont remember seeing any reports like that.
Ideally you should have reported it when you first saw it. The instance is so active now that its impossible for us admins to read all the comments, and we have to rely on reports.
I did report it, but it was resolved on our end by one of our admins:
I can’t remember how long the report stayed up, but it was between several hours and a day.
^ Another report which I don’t necessarily entirely agree with, but it was made. Again though resolved by one of our admin after some time.
And just yesterday sopuli joining in: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/379764/comment/284180. Which I reported just now since it’s proper procedure. But when I see our reports stay up for a day or more and seemingly never getting worked on, it doesn’t give me faith that lemmy.ml takes our reports seriously. How many reports does the instance get in a day if I may ask?
If I properly documented how they are working to recruit by defaming Lemmygrad, I would need way more time and create a cohesive document.
There is no documentation about reports so I’m still confused how they work. I understand all relevant instances are tagged for the report. But when we resolve a report about a lemmy.ml post, for example, does it still show up on lemmy.ml’s report queue? Then I could tell the rest of the admin team about it so we don’t resolve reports made by our users to other instances.
Reports work in a very basic way for now. Basically they are sent to all mods of the community, and to instance admins. If any one of them decides to resolve the report, others will generally not see it anymore. Also, the action of resolving a report isnt federated at all. So basically, a report needs to resolved once on each instance. Here is an issue about improving reports, feel free to add suggestions.
I would say that the comments you mention are simply subjective views of these two individuals. You might not agree with those views, but calling it lying seems exaggerated. I also dont understand how you can hold the entire instances responsible for actions of individual users. In any case, I will discuss this with our admin team.
So basically, a report needs to resolved once on each instance. Here is an issue about improving reports, feel free to add suggestions.
Thanks for the answer, sometimes reports sit on our queue for hours because I’m not sure we can solve them without impacting the lemmy reports queue (which they are meant for). I’ll be able to solve them now when relevant.
I might do an exposé on beehaw and sopuli eventually. It was more flagrant when these problems surfaced a month ago. Graphito if you remember was banned from Lemmy when they had an account from there, and went to beehaw afterwards (and again banned on lemmy temporarily). Beehaw and perthchat, an inactive instance, share a lot of overlap now and moderators too.
I also had another comment to point out in my previous comment but the direct link doesn’t seem to work. It might have been this one:
(Parent comment was deleted so 23 days later I really cannot remember what it was a response to). I think I have more stuff from this user (sopuli btw) doing the same thing altair and graphito are doing.
Beehaw indicated not federating with us because we “took up too much disk space because Lemmygrad is so active” (https://beehaw.org/post/93236/comment/25352), when lemmy.ml is just as active (and in the end it wasn’t even us, it was a bug). Of course they can not federate with us if they don’t want to, that’s their problem, but it was a bit weird seeing us blamed out of the blue for something that was not our fault. And dots start to form that I’m starting to connect.
Catraism was instantly banned from beehaw after making an account there, and was not using their Catraism-Stalinism name so as to avoid direct references to communism.
I have, to be honest, rarely seen beehaw and sopuli advertise their instance without using someone else’s platform to do it (on lemmy.ml). For example when conquestofbed made their thread 2 days ago, the first comment there was promoting beehaw and not adding anything else to the discussion. If you sort by old:
You’re right that they are, for now, just a few users. But they are users that are very integrated on beehaw and sopuli (moderators of a few communities, lots of overlap) – which are instances so small that they almost form a clique. I.e. they are the only users of those instances.
Other admins also didnt see any rule violations in the comments you shared above. We simply dont have a rule against promoting Lemmy instances, in fact we encourage it because thats the best way for Lemmy to grow. If you have a problem with other instances, I suggest you talk to the admins directly, or alternatively block the instances so content from there wont be visible at all to Lemmygrad users.
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I have no problem with beehaw and sopuli existing, or any instance existing. It’s impossible to control who makes instances because Lemmy is open source and has pretty simple installation instructions.
My problem is that their recruitment tactic is to bring down Lemmygrad (including lying about it) and try to create their fame out of that. As an admin, long time and active user of lemmygrad, I’ll defend this instance if they keep trying to defame it. If they stopped and just tried to build their instances without trying to stir trouble with us, then I think all of us would also stop going after them on lemmy. They can also talk shit all they want on their own instances if they want.
The admins on lemmy must be having a field day but if there is a solution to this issue (which will eventually pass, like everything), it’s to tell the sopuli and beehaw people to stop attacking other instances. Maybe make it a rule on lemmy. I mean, we’re the only instance that’s ever being attacked but just for fairness don’t point us out specifically, just ban all inter-instance trouble-brewing.
Warfare between instances is analogous to the methods of brigading and drama-creation that are weaponised on reddit.
By that I mean /r/subredditdrama solely exists to function as an attack tool against political targets of the liberal modteam and to bring together sitewide drama against their intended targets, creating pressure upon the admins to act. In this situation a similar tactic is being employed.
Just came across this comment. Can you point out where Beehaw attacked Lemmygrad, or tried to bring it down? Of course if they violate our site rules, I will do something about it, but I dont remember seeing any reports like that.
That’s asking me to go into months-old archives to try and document it 😅 I’ll look it up and see if I can find their comments again.
Ideally you should have reported it when you first saw it. The instance is so active now that its impossible for us admins to read all the comments, and we have to rely on reports.
I did report it, but it was resolved on our end by one of our admins:
I can’t remember how long the report stayed up, but it was between several hours and a day.
^ Another report which I don’t necessarily entirely agree with, but it was made. Again though resolved by one of our admin after some time.
And just yesterday sopuli joining in: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/379764/comment/284180. Which I reported just now since it’s proper procedure. But when I see our reports stay up for a day or more and seemingly never getting worked on, it doesn’t give me faith that lemmy.ml takes our reports seriously. How many reports does the instance get in a day if I may ask?
If I properly documented how they are working to recruit by defaming Lemmygrad, I would need way more time and create a cohesive document.
There is no documentation about reports so I’m still confused how they work. I understand all relevant instances are tagged for the report. But when we resolve a report about a lemmy.ml post, for example, does it still show up on lemmy.ml’s report queue? Then I could tell the rest of the admin team about it so we don’t resolve reports made by our users to other instances.
Reports work in a very basic way for now. Basically they are sent to all mods of the community, and to instance admins. If any one of them decides to resolve the report, others will generally not see it anymore. Also, the action of resolving a report isnt federated at all. So basically, a report needs to resolved once on each instance. Here is an issue about improving reports, feel free to add suggestions.
I would say that the comments you mention are simply subjective views of these two individuals. You might not agree with those views, but calling it lying seems exaggerated. I also dont understand how you can hold the entire instances responsible for actions of individual users. In any case, I will discuss this with our admin team.
Thanks for the answer, sometimes reports sit on our queue for hours because I’m not sure we can solve them without impacting the lemmy reports queue (which they are meant for). I’ll be able to solve them now when relevant.
I might do an exposé on beehaw and sopuli eventually. It was more flagrant when these problems surfaced a month ago. Graphito if you remember was banned from Lemmy when they had an account from there, and went to beehaw afterwards (and again banned on lemmy temporarily). Beehaw and perthchat, an inactive instance, share a lot of overlap now and moderators too.
I also had another comment to point out in my previous comment but the direct link doesn’t seem to work. It might have been this one:
(Parent comment was deleted so 23 days later I really cannot remember what it was a response to). I think I have more stuff from this user (sopuli btw) doing the same thing altair and graphito are doing.
Beehaw indicated not federating with us because we “took up too much disk space because Lemmygrad is so active” (https://beehaw.org/post/93236/comment/25352), when lemmy.ml is just as active (and in the end it wasn’t even us, it was a bug). Of course they can not federate with us if they don’t want to, that’s their problem, but it was a bit weird seeing us blamed out of the blue for something that was not our fault. And dots start to form that I’m starting to connect.
Catraism was instantly banned from beehaw after making an account there, and was not using their Catraism-Stalinism name so as to avoid direct references to communism.
I have, to be honest, rarely seen beehaw and sopuli advertise their instance without using someone else’s platform to do it (on lemmy.ml). For example when conquestofbed made their thread 2 days ago, the first comment there was promoting beehaw and not adding anything else to the discussion. If you sort by old:
(https://lemmygrad.ml/post/379764/comment/283848)
You’re right that they are, for now, just a few users. But they are users that are very integrated on beehaw and sopuli (moderators of a few communities, lots of overlap) – which are instances so small that they almost form a clique. I.e. they are the only users of those instances.
Other admins also didnt see any rule violations in the comments you shared above. We simply dont have a rule against promoting Lemmy instances, in fact we encourage it because thats the best way for Lemmy to grow. If you have a problem with other instances, I suggest you talk to the admins directly, or alternatively block the instances so content from there wont be visible at all to Lemmygrad users.